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Terry Hanushek
04-04-2006, 11:06 PM
This non partisan article published in yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer gives an interesting perspective to the current immigration debate.

A nation of immigrants, with mixed feelings

The debate over who should be allowed into the U.S. has been a constant through history - predating the nation itself.

By Ron Hutcheson
Inquirer Washington Bureau

Both sides in the emotional debate over immigration agree on at least one thing: This is a fight over what it means to be an American.

The passions that are being unleashed in street protests, on talk radio and in Congress are as old as the American dream. We may be a nation of immigrants, but we sometimes recoil from foreigners with different languages, religions, cultures and complexions.
"I see immigrants as people who are coming to the United States to cast their lot with Americans," said Alan Kraut, a professor at American University in Washington and the author of three books on immigration. "What we hear from some quarters is that these immigrants are somehow different, the notion that they will not assimilate. I think that expresses far too little faith in the power of American culture."

To be sure, America has dealt successfully with large-scale immigration before. The nation's doors were wide open to many immigrants during the 1800s. By the turn of the century, roughly 15 percent of the nation's residents were foreign-born. Today, the 33 million foreign-born residents account for about 11 percent of the population.

The entire article appears below and can be viewed at
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/14248826.htm

The current dialogue is very divisive along non-traditional lines - corporate Republicans arguing with xenophobic Republican and labor Democrats arguing with free trade Democrats. Bush is made to look like a moderate by hard line House Republicans. Ultimately we need to accept a compromise and get moving on.

Terry



A nation of immigrants, with mixed feelings

The debate over who should be allowed into the U.S. has been a constant through history - predating the nation itself.

By Ron Hutcheson
Inquirer Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - Both sides in the emotional debate over immigration agree on at least one thing: This is a fight over what it means to be an American.

The passions that are being unleashed in street protests, on talk radio and in Congress are as old as the American dream. We may be a nation of immigrants, but we sometimes recoil from foreigners with different languages, religions, cultures and complexions.

Even Benjamin Franklin, one of the most open-minded Founding Fathers, objected to foreign newcomers - in his case, from Germany.

"Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them?" he asked in a 1751 essay.

More than 170 years later, President Calvin Coolidge put it more succinctly: "America must be kept American."

Yet even ardent advocates of tighter immigration controls acknowledge the contributions that immigrants have made, and continue to make, to America's diversity. Polls show deeply conflicting views on immigration. Americans are just as likely to think immigrants strengthen the country as they are to consider them a burden.

"People are seeing immigration as a negative. That's a shame, because if it's done right, it's a positive," said Ron Woodard, director of NC Listen, a North Carolina group that favors tougher immigration policies. "Americans believe in reasonable legal immigration, but they have major heartburn with people breaking the law."

Although the current debate over immigration is in many ways a replay of past battles, there are some new twists.

The 2001 terrorist attacks heightened concerns about border security. Globalization and the loss of manufacturing jobs have increased economic anxieties. Multiculturalism and the emphasis on tolerance for alternative lifestyles have helped fuel doubts about the durability of what are considered traditional American values.

If all that weren't enough, political polarization, TV's talk-show culture and the fractious Internet blogosphere have made a hot-button issue even more combustible.

"The middle ground gets lost. Anybody who talks about a sensible middle ground gets devoured by the extremes on both sides," said Edward O'Donnell, a professor at Holy Cross College in Worcester, Mass., who specializes in Irish-American history. "It's either immigration is a plague, or wide-open, unhindered immigration and wide-scale amnesty is the answer."

Americans who are tolerant of mass immigration express confidence that the nation's economy and culture can absorb the newcomers.

"I see immigrants as people who are coming to the United States to cast their lot with Americans," said Alan Kraut, a professor at American University in Washington and the author of three books on immigration. "What we hear from some quarters is that these immigrants are somehow different, the notion that they will not assimilate. I think that expresses far too little faith in the power of American culture."

To be sure, America has dealt successfully with large-scale immigration before. The nation's doors were wide open to many immigrants during the 1800s. By the turn of the century, roughly 15 percent of the nation's residents were foreign-born. Today, the 33 million foreign-born residents account for about 11 percent of the population.

Yet previous waves of immigration led to nativist movements and crackdowns. Irish Roman Catholics faced scorn and abuse in the mid-19th century, and Congress prohibited immigration from China in 1882. The surge at the turn of the 20th century, and fears about radicals and anarchists, led to the first broad clampdown on immigration.

"Just like in the early 1900s, people are realizing today that things have gotten out of hand," said Woodard, of NC Listen. "We need to bring it back in balance."

The influx of Hispanic foreigners - more than half of foreign-born residents are from Latin America - is contributing to another demographic shift. Minorities, both citizens and noncitizens, are now the majority in Miami, Los Angeles, Houston and San Francisco. New York and Washington will join the list soon.

Most advocates of tighter immigration controls say their concerns don't have anything to do with race or ethnicity. They say they worry about the nation's ability to absorb the latest wave of foreigners.

"It's not 1910 anymore. We have an economy that doesn't offer the same kind of upward mobility for people with low education," said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. "We've changed, not the immigrants."

Krikorian, whose grandparents came from Armenia, said he also worried that cultural changes had made it harder for immigrants to absorb American values. He pointed to demonstrators waving Mexican flags at recent pro-immigration rallies as evidence of the decreased emphasis on assimilation.

"My mom had to memorize the Gettysburg Address. What are the kids in the Unified Los Angeles School District learning? They sure as heck aren't being Americanized," he said. "Is the nation going to continue in its current form or not? It's all a question of who we are."

O'Donnell, the immigration historian, sees the current debate as the latest chapter in the American story.

"It is probably our greatest national legacy, accepting the huddled masses, but it doesn't come without risks and challenges and problems," he said. "It's the price that you pay for being a diverse society. We're never going to stop debating immigration."

jcampi
04-05-2006, 07:46 AM
In the US we have to be realistic and remember we were all immigrants at one time. My family has been here for three generations. My grandfather came to the US by hiding in a boat from Italy. I'm not that bothered by immigrants already in the US (legal or not). However, I would like to see the borders secure along Mexico and Canada. Anyone can gain access to the US and take part in some form of terrorism.

mommalina
04-05-2006, 04:54 PM
I agree with Randi Rhodes (Air America Radio). The Mexican government should seek to close the divide there between its rich and poor. By improving its own economy, Mexico's citizens would have fewer reasons to emigrate.

Our anger should be directed at the Mexican and U.S. governments, not the illegal immigrants (unless they are criminal).

The litany of proposals to "legalize" immigration, if effectuated, would be another debacle like the Iraq War and Medicare Plan D. ...... KISS -- keep it simple, Stupid!

Mexico should open gambling casinos and improve security to attract tourists and create jobs for its citizens; construct retirement communities with golf courses and amenities and security to attract permanent residency by foreigners and create jobs for its citizens. This would generate more business opportunities for its wealthy citizens and attract foreign investment (supermarkets, theaters, cleaning services, automobile dealers, auto repair shops, department stores, etc). Many more ideas could be implemented to jump-start the Mexican economy.

On our end, the U.S. should heavily fine employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants and jail employers who are repeat offenders; it should jail and confiscate the businesses of employers who work illegal immigrants off the books.

That should open up jobs for American citizens and legal immigrants at decent wages, on the books. It would help fund Social Security and Medicare, and increase the collection of state and federal taxes.

For those businesses who need slave labor to make a profit, our federal and state governments could offer tax incentives and subsidies so they can automate. I heard that in Australia lettuce is not picked by hand but by automation. It's doable.

Lina

mylanta
04-05-2006, 06:49 PM
Personally I think this problem has always been there and will be, and all this attention is the Bush Admin atttempt to focus people attention away from there ever growing list of current failuresi.e. Iraq just gets worse and worse. Did everyone see the referendum on the statewide Wisconsin ballot overwhelmingly approved immediate withdrawal of all troops?

Terry Hanushek
04-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Lina

I agree with Randi Rhodes (Air America Radio). The Mexican government should seek to close the divide there between its rich and poor. By improving its own economy, Mexico's citizens would have fewer reasons to emigrate. I think that you and Randi Rhodes are on to the key - as long as there is the vast disparity in the standards of living of our two countries, there will be "illegal" immigration. It does not matter how high a wall is constructed or how severe the penalties are for unauthorized entry into our country..

Mexico should open gambling casinos and improve security to attract tourists and create jobs for its citizens; construct retirement communities with golf courses and amenities and security to attract permanent residency by foreigners and create jobs for its citizens. This would generate more business opportunities for its wealthy citizens and attract foreign investment (supermarkets, theaters, cleaning services, automobile dealers, auto repair shops, department stores, etc). Many more ideas could be implemented to jump-start the Mexican economy.

On our end, the U.S. should heavily fine employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants and jail employers who are repeat offenders; it should jail and confiscate the businesses of employers who work illegal immigrants off the books.

That should open up jobs for American citizens and legal immigrants at decent wages, on the books. It would help fund Social Security and Medicare, and increase the collection of state and federal taxes. Very good (if difficult) steps to lessen the differences between the two economies and stem the northward migration.

The major stumbling block to this plan is resistance from labor unions and middle class workers who perceive that any improvements to the Mexican economy will come at the direct expense to the American worker. I believe that NAFTA was designed to address these problems and it became a very controversial piece of legislation.

Terry

Terry Hanushek
04-07-2006, 12:44 PM
I think that you and Randi Rhodes are on to the key - as long as there is the vast disparity in the standards of living of our two countries, there will be "illegal" immigration. It does not matter how high a wall is constructed or how severe the penalties are for unauthorized entry into our country..
To support my statement that walls and penalties will not stop unauthorized entry, the AP story below appeared in yesterday's paper.

Capitalism, ya gotta love it

Terry


Border smuggler welcomes debate, says it's worth cash

DOLORES HIDALGO, Mexico - Barely 18, Jose belongs to Mexico's new generation of migrant smugglers - young, savvy and happy to see Uncle Sam further tighten border security.

Why? It's good for business, he says.

Jose figures more migrants will seek his help if the U.S. Senate approves legislation to double the Border Patrol and put up a virtual wall of cameras and sensors to monitor the 2,000-mile border with Mexico.

Border experts say the price for helping Mexicans move north has quadrupled from $300 to $1,200 since 1994, when the U.S. last tightened the rules. Cases are coming to light of smugglers making $1 million or more. And Jose reckons the earnings will get even better.

"This is never going to end," he said. "The United States cannot work without Mexicans."

Jose is a lanky, baby-faced teen in a baseball cap who says he started smuggling people late last year and made $16,000 in his first three months. His mother worries, but needs the money - Jose was making $53 a week cutting lettuce. Talking to a reporter outside their humble, adobe house near this city in central Mexico, they asked to withhold their surname for fear of arrest.