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mylanta
04-05-2006, 07:43 PM
Well, rather than add to my "power management is making me crazy" thread, I thought this deserves a new start.
I was looking for a socket 939 board to keep away from SLI, which is of no interest to me, and I suspect is part of the reason I had so many problems with the Asus boards. A new board from Biostar TForce 4U fit the bill perfectly.
Actually had this been around when I bought the first Asus mobo, I would never have gone there. It has pci-express 16 slot and an Agp slot and it's at a great price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138270
(of course it was $3 higher when I bought it...)
Impressive package as it has it's own mesh carry bag for the manual, belts and software. This is the first board I have seen with 4 sata slots, that has 4 sata cables and not only that 2 ide cables, which I haven't seen in years, and really nice quality ones. Software cd and driver for sata (which is completely unnecessary as Nvidia has driver built in) and even 4 nicely packaged heat spreaders for your ram. The box it all comes in is a quality looking carry box with a handle as well so this is a really nice package too.
It went right in though somehow the sata controllers were mismarked. but after scratching my head a few times because I could not install XP as I kept getting a message "no disk in volume"...I caught on. Just like either the hdled or power led is almost always reversed on every mobo I have ever built.
Bios has a few quirks that took me by surprise where if you enable usb mouse and keyboards, then ps2 shut off, which of course isn't mentioned in the manual (nothing of any importance ever is anyway).
Risers are in a different position on the right side which is an annoying surprise, but is surmountable.
I had some problems where a freeze in the middle of Windows Updates made me have to install all over again, as I could not get out of the loop of auto update not completing and my inability to reverse what had happened, but I wasn't far into the install anyway.
I firmly believe that the best way to do an install is install with Sp2, then mobo drivers and then all Windows Updates, before turning on auto update, and before installing any programs, and it proved well as usual after intial problem.
Nice quick system, with power management and hibernate working fine after full install and backup images made, and it moves along nicely with it's 2 gb ram and Pci Express NVidia 6600 256 meg and Athlon 4200 dual core cpu.
All in all well manufactured board, easy to install and if you want to overclock, this baby is ready for you.

Dan18960
04-06-2006, 08:02 AM
Rich,

I was looking at the specs and noticed that the RAM is DDR 3200. Does the BIOS updates allow for DDR2?

I like the 2nd IDE controller - wish Intel had continued to include it, but I guess the wave is SATA Take It or Leave It!

The nice thing is that this board as several things DELL doesn't now PS/2 KEYBOARD/MOUSE CONNECTORS AND A PARALLEL PORT!

I didn't notice but does the board have additional USB ports besided the 4 on the back and the firewire connection?

Over all - looks nice.

mylanta
04-06-2006, 09:47 AM
Rich,

I was looking at the specs and noticed that the RAM is DDR 3200. Does the BIOS updates allow for DDR2?

I like the 2nd IDE controller - wish Intel had continued to include it, but I guess the wave is SATA Take It or Leave It!

The nice thing is that this board as several things DELL doesn't now PS/2 KEYBOARD/MOUSE CONNECTORS AND A PARALLEL PORT!

I didn't notice but does the board have additional USB ports besided the 4 on the back and the firewire connection?

Over all - looks nice.



Dan,
Amd is only now utilizing DDR2, they have taken the stand that it is meaningless and finally have reluctantly gone over to it with some new boards about to be issued with newer cpu architecture so I doubt it is an issue of bios update. Ddr2 ram wouldn't fit into 184 pin slots of ddr anyway, they are 240 pin I believe.
I have never seen an Amd board with only 1 ide controller and that is one of the original reasons I moved to Amd because I need the second controller to plug in clients hard drive on bench machine, since early sata pc's had only 2 sata slots and that meant conversion and/or unplugging my drives to plug in theirs to clean...much easier this way. Besides I still use 2 cd drives and a zip internal and 1 slot was a pain.
There are provisions for 4 usb ports in front but of course most cases still only utilize 2 so the 4 in the back could be a pain except for me, I only use a scanner and 1 external drive as usb, I use 1394 for everything else and they daisy chain nicely. I use Ps2 for mouse and keyboard only and won't buy a printer that does not take parallel port. I also add a card that has 2 firewire and 2 usb ports anyway and there are add-on ports inside for 2 more mobo added card plugs for usb besides.

mylanta
04-10-2006, 04:57 PM
I might add I was having one problem, where every so often, the internet would slow to a crawl, and I had to reboot to get back any browsing ability.
I backed off the downloaded chipset drivers from Nvidia and went back to the ones on the cd, and did the same thing for the video card and it got better, but still now and then had it happen. Also I was having an occasional blue screen causing a shutdown so I decided to install a pci ethernet card and change the cable, and now I have been fine for 36 hours without incident.I decided to order a pci-express 1 gigabit ethernet card and change out my old Adaptec 1394 pci card also for pci-express 1 adapter cards as well, as I know they are more stable, and that way I free up some pci slots which this board has only 3 of. But it does have agp, pci-express16 and 1 pci-express 1 so I thought it is time to get into them. From what I read there is much more stability with pci-express anyway so time to check it out. I see an amazing visual difference in pci-express video card, so I would just bet I will also see performance difference with the add-on cards as well. 1394 while more stable than usb 2.0, has always posed a slight problem if you have more than 1 of the same device where it is possible to add a second one, and cause the first one to go offline. Having used external 1394 hard drives for years, I occasionally would lose that drive if I plugged in my portable hard drive 1394, which is one reason I have always bought those both usb and 1394. Same thing happens with usb external drive plugged in if I plug in an external mobile usb hard drive...and this is a known problem. Pci-express is supposed to clear this up so I am quite curious!!!!

photolady
04-21-2006, 07:56 PM
Since Rich so kindly dragged me over to this site, I decided to ask a few questions and answer a few at the same time. ;)

Nice board, Rich. Question though, cause I couldn't get the photos to load at newegg. What is the dif in Xagp and regular agp?

And you are right about the pins on DDR2, they are 240. ;)

mylanta
04-21-2006, 08:41 PM
PL that is Biostar ability to add agp and pci-express to the same board, but supposedly it isn't good for every agp card...
Xtreme Graphics Port is Biostar's unique engineering solution of adding limited AGP graphics card support to the nForce4 chipset. The XGP slot is not compatible with all AGP cards but has been tested with AGP cards listed below.

BrandModelAGPASUSGeforce 4 Ti 4200-8X8XASUS5600XT8XASUSATi 9800 XT8XBiostarVN400XXB3N64MB/128Bit4XBiostarVN4000XC2T128MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN4000XB2T64MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN4000XB1T64MB/32Bit8XBiostarVN520XXC3B128MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN520XXC2B128MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN570LED3B256MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN570LEC3B128MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN570LEC2B128MB/64Bit8XTRANSCENDATi RADEON 85008XTRANSCENDATi RADEON 91008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 90008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 95008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 97008XELSA920FX8XELSAATi 9800 Pro8XELSAFX 5900 Pro8XELSAGeforce 4 MX4604XELSAGeforce 4 Ti 42004XMSIGeforce 4 Ti 46004XMSIGeforce 4 MX440-8X8XWinFastGeforce 4 Ti 44004XWinFastFX 52008XWinFastFX 56008XWinFastFX 57008XWinFastFX 5950 Ultra8XJoytechATi 9200 128M8XJoytechFX 5200 128M 128bit8XJoytechFX 5200 128M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 128M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 64M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 64M 32bit8XJoytechMX 400 64M 128bit4XJoytech5700 LE 256M 128bit8XJoytech5700 LE 128M 64bit8XJoytech5700 LE 128M 128bit8XSparkleFX 5900 XT8XSparkleFX 5700 Ultra8X

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Terry Hanushek
04-21-2006, 10:32 PM
BrandModelAGPASUSGeforce 4 Ti 4200-8X8XASUS5600XT8XASUSATi 9800 XT8XBiostarVN400XXB3N64MB/128Bit4XBiostarVN4000XC2T128MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN4000XB2T64MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN4000XB1T64MB/32Bit8XBiostarVN520XXC3B128MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN520XXC2B128MB/64Bit8XBiostarVN570LED3B256MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN570LEC3B128MB/128Bit8XBiostarVN570LEC2B128MB/64Bit8XTRANSCENDATi RADEON 85008XTRANSCENDATi RADEON 91008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 90008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 95008XGIGABYTEATi RADEON 97008XELSA920FX8XELSAATi 9800 Pro8XELSAFX 5900 Pro8XELSAGeforce 4 MX4604XELSAGeforce 4 Ti 42004XMSIGeforce 4 Ti 46004XMSIGeforce 4 MX440-8X8XWinFastGeforce 4 Ti 44004XWinFastFX 52008XWinFastFX 56008XWinFastFX 57008XWinFastFX 5950 Ultra8XJoytechATi 9200 128M8XJoytechFX 5200 128M 128bit8XJoytechFX 5200 128M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 128M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 64M 64bit8XJoytechMX 4000 64M 32bit8XJoytechMX 400 64M 128bit4XJoytech5700 LE 256M 128bit8XJoytech5700 LE 128M 64bit8XJoytech5700 LE 128M 128bit8XSparkleFX 5900 XT8XSparkleFX 5700 Ultra8X

Fugitive from Snipurl or a random character generation table?

:lol:

T.

mylanta
04-22-2006, 12:16 AM
No unfortunately that's what our software did to the nice chart.