Norton 2006 Problem Logs..

[mylanta]

I think I will begin posting the Norton install uninstall problems as I see them on other forums so you guys can get a conceptual view of the real problems out there with this crap software...I will only post the beyond help ones...and try to limit myself to "the best of the day". Note what Symantec tech support tells them to in every case if inviolved!
Here is the first installment:
http://www.*************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115542

[tonyd]

One of my neighbors had NAV installed, he tried to 'upgrade' to Norton Internet Security. Symantec said he first had to un-install NAV. It was hell. He had to do the un-install, then run the Removal tool that he had to download and that didn't even work.

I forget all that he had to do, but I do remember after running every uninstall/removal tool out there, the had to manually delete Symantec/Norton folders. Then he was able to install Norton Intenet Security.

Today he's running Zone Alarm Pro which includes an anti-virus. He hasn't complained. I haven't heard anything about ZA's AV, but for him - it's working.
- td

[casey]

I think I will begin posting the Norton install uninstall problems as I see them on other forums so you guys can get a conceptual view of the real problems out there with this crap software...I will only post the beyond help ones...and try to limit myself to "the best of the day". Note what Symantec tech support tells them to in every case if inviolved!
Here is the first installment:
http://www.*************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115542


Do I understand you right that from now on we are going to use forums to rate software. Now that's a novel idea.
Rich, as for being a fanatic, I would have to think that your obsession with Symantec is more fanatical then my ever defending it. How many times have you brought the subject up?

I wonder if it matters how big the customer base is in relation to how many times a product is mentioned on a forum. It couldn't be that a product that is never mentioned on a forum just might not be used by many people so there naturally would be less negative opinions.
This is one of the more ridiculous things said on this forum..

Let's see if I remember any products that Rich has ever recommended highly that turned out to be disaters. At least a disaster to him. Remember when you were all for
Maxtor hard drives. WHat's your opinion today. Although I don't have any problems with them , it seems your view has changed. We can name a few other things, that when I read you changing your mind I have to chuckle. Remember when you wouldn't think of running AMD chips
or when Dell was the end all producer of computers. I'm sure I could find more but they were just off the top of my head.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have been using Symantec longer then any AV Rich has used and I have had no problems, it seems that he is offended by those that say they don't have a problem with NAV. Rich there are millions of people using NAV that don't have any problems and your answer to that is we just haven't been using it long enough. Well tell me how long I have to use it before I realize it's "crap software".

Now in closing since Rich just recently raved about a new motherboard he is using I think I'll just go to some of the forums I frequent and post the problems people are having with this outstanding motherboard...

[mylanta]

Larry, Remember I am saying that 2006 has a myriad of problems with install and uninstall, and John is telling me it's the best ever.
I am not and will not get into a debate here on virus catching ability as I already know the answer. I am strictly referring to the software of it all for install problems and drag on system making folks remove it.
Please don't take it personally, I really don't mean it that way in spite of my terse verbiage. I just don't think any of you know the difference in what is happening this year out there with 2006 Norton. What this thread describes, I read several times a day and have never seen with any other antivirus program even once a year.
And certainly your point about the users of Norton being much greater in numbers is quite valid, though I don't really know what those totals are, but let me concede that Norton has the highest usage of any AV on the planet. I still don't ever see install problems or the inability to uninstall with any other except an occasional MacAfee situation. Take MacAfee out of the picture and I never see even one problem.

[mylanta]

This is from Microsoft Windows forum back in December where I first saw this:
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_thread/thread/7524046a604e1117/85c676d47b5bd6be%2385c676d47b5bd6be

[casey]

Norton 2006 Problem Logs..Calling John Campi & Casey


Please don't take it personally

How can I not take this personally?

[mylanta]

Norton 2006 Problem Logs..Calling John Campi & Casey


Please don't take it personally

How can I not take this personally?

Yeah I agree with you I only wanted you two to see it and you chose to take it personally which I really didn't expect but do completely understand. Sorry about that.
Here is another from Castle Cops but trust me they are everywhere and this is a new special situation with this version. Larry don't I remember you had install problems with this version or maybe it was someone else here?
http://castlecops.com/t150447-Norton_Internet_Security_Systemworks_2006_install_ probs.html

[casey]

Rich, since you seem to think this has some meaning to it, I guess I should ask what you think of XP. Being it is a very popular Operating system I thought maybe I could
use the forums to exagerrate how people have had many problems installing, etc. I had to find a company that is one of the leaders in it's field so we could see no matter what "you can't please all the people"...

[Dan18960]

Ok Kids, let's play nice :D

I for one have been using NAV for at least a decade (Norton Utilities even longer) - but I have FINALLY left it since they seem to want to sell NAV with Internet Security AND Internet Security with NAV - there is just no way of getting away from it.

I want to purchase what I WANT TO PURCHASE - and I have always been pleased with JUST the antivirus segment. It was nice (and good) that they included the Trojan and malware detection in 2005. I liked that - but 2006 has been just a pain in the butt with LAN / WAN / and sharing on each.

I have been doing a lot of research on NOD32 and AVG (commercial grade) and Kapersky. I am leaning toward AVG because of it's straight forward easy to understand terminology and it has been very aggressive in monitoring the systems. NOD32 is GREAT - but having to deal with end users explaining IMON, UMON, WEMON, :hurt: is just not worth the time of capturing revenue (YOU put it ON - finger pointing).

[casey]

I liked that - but 2006 has been just a pain in the butt with LAN / WAN / and sharing on each.


Dan, could you elaborate on this as I am running Nav2006 on a small home network...

[mylanta]

Dan,
All personal feelings aside, don't go with Avg please you are asking for trouble. I see trashed machiens all the time with Avg on them. All that has to happen is the auto updating fails, which is a frequent occurrence and they are "toast". Avg isn't half as good at combatting virus and trojans to begin with.
I understand completely about the Amon, Emon, but remember. The user does not have to deal with that. The program goes in fine by default and nothing will get through it's defenses. Updating is as seamless as any program out there. I can't tell you what Amon, Emon and So-on mean and I don't care as it has nothing to do with the day to day running of the program. With avg, they are not fully safe, trust me I have been reviewing antivirus programs for almost 6 years now. You also have systems with older OS and Avg just passed certificatiojn this year (VB100) for 2000 and Me but is not for 98. Should that change you would never know it as XP has only been certified passing for 2 years now.
If you want a nicer interface do www.bitdefender.com (http://www.bitdefender.com) or Kaspersky please. For being Russian company, you would be amazed how prompt and good Kaspersky tech support is by the way!

[dbarrow]

Nod32 is pretty straight up as it comes with defaults.
Other than entering your user and pw to get connected to the update server, the 'average' user can install it and never have to touch it.

The interface is plain ... but makes perfect sense if you look at it.

Now, if you want much higher levels, you can go into setup in each section and crank levels up.

The on demand scanner, and scheduled scans are redundant... nothing gets in that needs to be scanned.

Despite the fact I have it scheduled to run complete daily scans, which it does invisibly in the background in just a few minutes, nothing has ever turned up in the scans as any threat was trapped on the way in and never lodged in the system.

[jcampi]

dbarrow, I tried NOD32 and disliked the user interface very much. Rich M. admited he hasn't tried Norton AV 2006. Have you? I find the Norton GUI much more user friendly and simple to use. Frankly, NOD32 was very strange to me. I have tried both and prefer Norton '06.

[mylanta]

Choose your antivirus because it is the best program with the least amount of system interference, and hang the rest of it.
All this talk about the gui with Amon and Enon I find hysterical as I have never set anything in there and also never had one bit of interference from Nod nor had any virus in my system in 3 years. It sets up by default better than any you can custom set, and someone wants to tweak it?

[dbarrow]

Not being one to leave well enough alone...
Of course, I thoroughly explored the Nod32 menus and found a higher level setting, which I chose.
Not that it seems to make any difference, default settings have proven more than adequate "out of the box".
Quite frankly, you can install it and forget it without ever opening the GUI, other than setting the update user and pw.

I have no desire to try NAV2006 as my Nod32 subscription is paid up and it works perfectly for me, on all my machines, and satisfies me completely.

NAV may have improved over the last few years,but like Rich, I see far too many forum posts with a "NAV problem" stretching into deep threads on fixing the problem.
As forum posts are usually a "***** and gripe" session from users with problems, they can be a good gauge of a program. The volume of "NAV problems" tells me I don't want to tangle with it. That is in contrast to mention of Nod32 where you only find people praising it .... and come to think of it ... I don't ever recall seeing a "Nod32 Problem" post ....

[casey]

Not being one to leave well enough alone...
Of course, I thoroughly explored the Nod32 menus and found a higher level setting, which I chose.
Not that it seems to make any difference, default settings have proven more than adequate "out of the box".
Quite frankly, you can install it and forget it without ever opening the GUI, other than setting the update user and pw.

I have no desire to try NAV2006 as my Nod32 subscription is paid up and it works perfectly for me, on all my machines, and satisfies me completely.

NAV may have improved over the last few years,but like Rich, I see far too many forum posts with a "NAV problem" stretching into deep threads on fixing the problem.
As forum posts are usually a "***** and gripe" session from users with problems, they can be a good gauge of a program. The volume of "NAV problems" tells me I don't want to tangle with it. That is in contrast to mention of Nod32 where you only find people praising it .... and come to think of it ... I don't ever recall seeing a "Nod32 Problem" post ....

It seems that you want to bring up all the things I thought we had settled.

I have no desire to try NAV2006 as my Nod32 subscription is paid up and it works perfectly for me, on all my machines, and satisfies me completely.

Since I can say the same thing about Nod32 ,don't you think we have the same rights?

NAV may have improved over the last few years,but like Rich, I see far too many forum posts with a "NAV problem" stretching into deep threads on fixing the problem.
As forum posts are usually a "***** and gripe" session from users with problems, they can be a good gauge of a program. The volume of "NAV problems" tells me I don't want to tangle with it. That is in contrast to mention of Nod32 where you only find people praising it .... and come to think of it ... I don't ever recall seeing a "Nod32 Problem" post ....

I think we already settled this part as NAV being one of the most popular AV programs in the world. I guess since I see XP problems posted in many forums I would have to conclude(since now we are using forums to rate our software) that XP is nothing but junk. Can you show me where I ever said anything derogatory about Nod32?
I could even care less about you stating your opinion of
NAV but when you do, I believe I have the right to voice mine.

I don't ever recall seeing a "Nod32 Problem" post ...

I checked Cyber Tech to see all these problems with one of the most used AV's in the world and only found a few
mentions since the beginning of March and each one was one person and they weren't all deleting NAV. When you say "I don't recall seeing a "Nod32 Problem" post" I guess this couldn't be that very few are using it. If I say Nod32 to my friends, most would look at me and say "what's that". Can I walk into BB, CC or OM and ask them for it?
I don't know if any of these stores carry it but I never saw it there. Now I said my piece and I'm hope I am done...

[mylanta]

Larry,
I really hate to reply to this, but the fact that your friends and acquaintances have never heard of Nod32, should that in any way impress me? Nod32 is strictly an online purchase, and no it isn't available in any stores. If I asked all your friends or acquaintances what they use for spyware prevention and they look at me like I grew a third head, should I then uninstall Spywareblaster, Spybot, and Pest Patrol as there really is no problem? by the same token do you do whatever they say with pc's or are you instead more likely the source of their knowledge? The fact is Nod32 is mostly known amongst knowledgeable users and IT's, and Nod probably prefers it that way so they are not a universal target.
One of the biggest problems with Norton is that virus frequently get in and digest Nav and disable it. I have seen that in my business at least 50 times in the last year. But I mean that is because it is so widespread. I sincerley hope you aren't making a Dizz like argument that whatever is the most widely owned, therefore has to be the best? That would make the Ford Escort the world's best car a few years ago.

You will not find all the posts on Cybertech by doing a search for Norton. Many of the posts ended up discussing Norton, in fact most of them did with no reference to it in the title or beginning. You know that in the course of discussing computer slowdown, you suggest online scans, ask what is in startup and sooner or later what they use for spyware or antivirus so it comes up later. I mean I don't think I have seen many posts that start out "Norton 2006 sucks" but if I had $1 for every post that goes there sooner or later, I wouldn't have to work.

[casey]

Larry,
I really hate to reply to this, but the fact that your friends and acquaintances have never heard of Nod32, should that in any way impress me? Nod32 is strictly an online purchase, and no it isn't available in any stores. If I asked all your friends or acquaintances what they use for spyware prevention and they look at me like I grew a third head, should I then uninstall Spywareblaster, Spybot, and Pest Patrol as there really is no problem? by the same token do you do whatever they say with pc's or are you instead more likely the source of their knowledge? The fact is Nod32 is mostly known amongst knowledgeable users and IT's, and Nod probably prefers it that way so they are not a universal target.
One of the biggest problems with Norton is that virus frequently get in and digest Nav and disable it. I have seen that in my business at least 50 times in the last year. But I mean that is because it is so widespread. I sincerley hope you aren't making a Dizz like argument that whatever is the most widely owned, therefore has to be the best? That would make the Ford Escort the world's best car a few years ago.

You will not find all the posts on Cybertech by doing a search for Norton. Many of the posts ended up discussing Norton, in fact most of them did with no reference to it in the title or beginning. You know that in the course of discussing computer slowdown, you suggest online scans, ask what is in startup and sooner or later what they use for spyware or antivirus so it comes up later. I mean I don't think I have seen many posts that start out "Norton 2006 sucks" but if I had $1 for every post that goes there sooner or later, I wouldn't have to work.

This is really getting ridiculous. Your telling me not to use who heard about Nod32 to gauge it but your using forum that anyone can go on and nobody knows who they are to gauge NAV. Your getting sillier on each posts.

Are you telling me that the number of users have no relation to the number of complaints. Even you know better then that and anyone that knows anything about computers knows the more computers the software is installed in will encounter more different setups and components then one that is installed in few.

I believe you once told me that Best Buy doesn't handle the top line components and I remember telling you that Plextor was on the shelf. Do you recall that.

Now your telling me that the reason Nod32 doesn't expand is because if they become to popular they would become a "universal Target".Do you mean like NAV already is?

I'm not even going to go into the number of posts that you 've seen. I thought we had that settled too.

Now I hope I'm done.

[casey]

The fact is Nod32 is mostly known amongst knowledgeable users and IT's, and Nod probably prefers it that way so they are not a universal target.

This reminds me of the argument for OS2 and Linux years ago...

[jcampi]

I kinda knew this discussion would go this way. In the end this is a personal choice. I tried NOD32 and don't like it. I use Norton AV 2006, it works for me, and I like it. Period.
If you are happy with your AV use and and stay with it. At least I've tried both before commenting.

[mylanta]

Number of users of course has to do with number of problem cases of course, I already stipulated that. I am still waiting to hear of anyone though who has had a sotware or install problem with Nod32, or found a virus on a Nod32 system with some other program. I have never seen 1 post.
As for "universal target", that was stupid humor on my part.
Yes you told me about plextor, though I have been in the stores since and never seen any. Could that have been discontinues like they always advertise as sale merchandise?

[casey]

Yes you told me about plextor, though I have been in the stores since and never seen any. Could that have been discontinues like they always advertise as sale merchandise?

Rich, I was in that store today and Plextor is still on the shelf. I go into them stores a few times a week and always check the computer hard ware for good deals. I've already caught deals that were only for the one day. They have not taken Plextor aff the shelf since I told you it was there. .

[casey]

Rich, I really want to end this but one thing I came across has me scratching my head. It seems I remember one thing you didn't like about NAV was how it handled E-mail. I've been reading about Nod32 and see that it didn't check outgoing E-Mail. I hope that this minor blemish has been remedied? I guess this would make it faster...

[mylanta]

Scanning outgoing email to me is absurd and I always shut it off if possible. That makes as little sense as scanning the system at bootup. If it was ok at shutdoiwn, then what sense does it make to scan it at bootup. If your system is clean and lets no virus in, then why waste time sacanning things going out.
Nod scans mail coming in but I haven't a clue if it does going out and I went to read site and am still clueless. What I always objected to with Nav was how long it took to scan mail coming in, I would have shut off outgoing anyway.

[jcampi]

I gotta agree with Rich on this one. I don't scan outgoing email either. Why? The files I have on my PC are all scanned beforehand. Incomming files are scanned with the AV - so why scan outgoing email? To me this is a waste of time.

[mylanta]

Not to start this up again personally but you Norton guys have to read this one...this poor user bought a 3 license suite of 2006 and can't use it on any pc...
but talk about "Computer Hell" he is there
http://www.*************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116310

[casey]

It couldn't possibly be that the guy had problems before and is just compounding them. It seems that Norton isn't the only thing he can't install...

[mylanta]

It couldn't possibly be that the guy had problems before and is just compounding them. It seems that Norton isn't the only thing he can't install...

Of course it can but it sounds like his system was runnig OK and all he wanted to do was install a new AV and frankly I would have reformatted that day rather than deal with this.I mean should he have this much trouble from a simple install of a program? I could install 3 virus and not have this much trouble is my point. Larry, this is typical of what I have been reading with ordinary users simply installing Nav2006 and their systems being blown to bits. Believe me I am only reporting here and actually in spite of my really low opinion of Symantec products, I still find what is happening widespread and
atypical of the past.

[casey]

Of course it can but it sounds like his system was runnig OK and all he wanted to do was install a new AV and frankly I would have reformatted that day rather than deal with this.I mean should he have this much trouble from a simple install of a program? I could install 3 virus and not have this much trouble is my point. Larry, this is typical of what I have been reading with ordinary users simply installing Nav2006 and their systems being blown to bits. Believe me I am only reporting here and actually in spite of my really low opinion of Symantec products, I still find what is happening widespread and
atypical of the past.

Rich, here you go again. You say "this is typical" but would you like to give me an estimate of how many computers NAV is running on without any problems?
Since "it's typical" you should have more computers with problems then are running okay. Is this what your saying.

I mentioned before that I could do the same thing with
Windows XP and you would be on the other side. I could find so many people having problems with XP that your head would spin. And Rich you aren't exactly unbiased with anything Symantec, I sometimes wonder what they could have done to you to create the anger.

[mylanta]

Rich, here you go again. You say "this is typical" but would you like to give me an estimate of how many computers NAV is running on without any problems?
Since "it's typical" you should have more computers with problems then are running okay. Is this what your saying.

I mentioned before that I could do the same thing with
Windows XP and you would be on the other side. I could find so many people having problems with XP that your head would spin. And Rich you aren't exactly unbiased with anything Symantec, I sometimes wonder what they could have done to you to create the anger.

Larry,
You are being overly sensitive and in doing so missing my thrust. I mean it is typical of those who have the install problems, not necessarily all users.

[casey]

I'm tired of this subject, you win...

But before i quit, I want to quote a famous computer man in regards to the guy that said his computer was
okay before:

But my computer worked YESTERDAY

[mylanta]

I'm tired of this subject, you win...

But before i quit, I want to quote a famous computer man in regars to the guy that said his computer was
okay before:

But my computer worked YESTERDAY

Does this mean you are putting in Nod32 like that same great Past Nav user you quote is doing also? (Only kidding I agree let's end it...truce!)

[casey]

Does this mean you are putting in Nod32 like that same great Past Nav user you quote is doing also? (Only kidding I agree let's end it...truce!)

Rich, I have six computers sitting here and only two have NAV on them, so if you can get me Nod32 for $10 for a year subscription, I'll put it on tomorrow. That's all I pay for NAV.

[dbarrow]

Wasn't that what Fred was dealing in?
Check with him for any deals.

[PeteF]

Does this mean you are putting in Nod32 like that same great Past Nav user you quote is doing also? (Only kidding I agree let's end it...truce!)

Guys, just for the record, I do enjoy a good debate an often learn from
listening to both sides. As long as the debate is held at a profesional level
then there is nothing wrong with it.

Personally, I think you both made some valid points.
So keep those debates coming! :D

---pete---

[jcampi]

I have a valid version of Norton AV 2006 with the liveupdtae good for another 175 days. I don't expect to change within this time period. Frankly, the GUI for NOD32 bothers me so much I wouldn't expect to use it again unless they redesigned it. We each have our own preferences. I just don't like the interface used for NOD32.

[mylanta]

You know what John, that's like saying I won't buy a Ford because I hate the hood element and the cigarette lighter is blue. You buy an antivirus because it repels every virus, and I'm afraid that for now, your choice hasn't held a candle to Nod for the last 16 years at VB100, and that is why you buy an antivirus program!

[Dan18960]

Rich,

Funny - that is EXACTLY why I didn't by a Ford conversion van back in the 80's.

The power windows, power locks, and controls were orange and green - made me think of fisher price toys. I bought a Chevy C20 conversion van instead.:ballchain:

[jcampi]

You guys are trying to put words in my mouth. I'm happy with the protection provided by Norton AV 2006 AND the user interface meets my needs. I'm not disputing the functions of NOD32 - I simply don't like the GUI and won't purchase it. Your analogies don’t demonstrate a comparable concept to me. I’m interested in using a program, in this case an antivirus, which does the job AND provides a good GUI.

[mylanta]

Rich,

Funny - that is EXACTLY why I didn't by a Ford conversion van back in the 80's.

The power windows, power locks, and controls were orange and green - made me think of fisher price toys. I bought a Chevy C20 conversion van instead.:ballchain:


Of you I would believe this!

[mylanta]

Funny but after I had thought I had seen it all, wait till you read this one:
http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/462889-computer-wont-shut-down.html

[casey]

Rich seriously you do believe that this is Norton's fault?
I have some questions then.

Do all HP's do this with Norton installed?

Did this computer do it from the first day that Norton was installed?

Would you expect Norton to fix this if it is the only computer that has this problem?

Last but not least, I and Jcampi are running Norton 2006 without this problem, so you showed two guys having trouble with Norton and we showed two guys running it without any problems. Touche.

If you want I CAN post some problem customers have had with Nod32 but I see no sense to it..

[mylanta]

Rich seriously you do believe that this is Norton's fault?
I have some questions then.

Do all HP's do this with Norton installed?

Did this computer do it from the first day that Norton was installed?

Would you expect Norton to fix this if it is the only computer that has this problem?

Last but not least, I and Jcampi are running Norton 2006 without this problem, so you showed two guys having trouble with Norton and we showed two guys running it without any problems. Touche.

If you want I CAN post some problem customers have had with Nod32 but I see no sense to it..

Larry,
Let's see if I get this. They uninstall Norton and the computer now shuts down. And you think it might not have anything to do with that?
Then what does your crystal ball show for the cause?

[casey]

Larry,
Let's see if I get this. They uninstall Norton and the computer now shuts down. And you think it might not have anything to do with that?
Then what does your crystal ball show for the cause?

Rich, I remember having this problem years ago and it was an easy fix , which I don't remember now.

How about this one:

After using NOD32 for almost a year without problems, I upgraded yesterday to v2. Installation went smoothly, I rebooted, and the new splash screen came up. I went into the console and scheduled nightly signature-file update and checked the IMON settings. So far so good.
But then I could not open one of my mailboxes in Eudora 5.2 (paid version without ads). The mailbox had a lot of messages in it, BTW. Others mailboxes I could open, but the messages displayed as HTML not as rendered text. After uninstalling NOD32, these problems went away, yet when I reinstalled NOD32 v2 last night these problems did NOT reappear. Mysterious.

Or I really found this one amusing.

Does anyone know why VBA32 did so poorly?
I use it as a 2nd opinion scanner to McAfee and NOD32 and it tends to pick up a lot of malware that McAfee, NOD32, and AntiVir miss with detection names very similar to Kaspersky's.

How can this be Rich?

Here's a quickie for you:

My Computer Won't Shut Down Itself After Installing XP

[casey]

So, if I am reading the results correctly, Norton AV scored 100%??


RE: Feb 2006 av-comparatives available - 3/1/2006 4:52:16 PM

Posts: 1567
Joined: 11/27/2004
From: South Central Pennsylvania
Status: online That was just in one area of on-demand testing, James, you gotta read the WHOLE thingie. OVERALL, F-Secure, KAV, and AVK finished in the top spot, with McAfee, Symantec, and NOD32 breathing almost quite literally, right down their necks. The folks who run this test claim that when av's test this closely together, and all finish this close to the top, the resulting differences in the finish are basically insignificant.
Norton has ALWAYS been good at killing viruses, but some folks complain about it being a resource hog. If folks complain about that, don't even think about trying AVK, it makes Norton seem as small as NOD ... I'm serious about that.

[mylanta]

I rest my case with VB 100. They are the pros.

[mylanta]

Rich, I remember having this problem years ago and it was an easy fix , which I don't remember now.

How about this one:

After using NOD32 for almost a year without problems, I upgraded yesterday to v2. Installation went smoothly, I rebooted, and the new splash screen came up. I went into the console and scheduled nightly signature-file update and checked the IMON settings. So far so good.
But then I could not open one of my mailboxes in Eudora 5.2 (paid version without ads). The mailbox had a lot of messages in it, BTW. Others mailboxes I could open, but the messages displayed as HTML not as rendered text. After uninstalling NOD32, these problems went away, yet when I reinstalled NOD32 v2 last night these problems did NOT reappear. Mysterious.

Or I really found this one amusing.

Does anyone know why VBA32 did so poorly?
I use it as a 2nd opinion scanner to McAfee and NOD32 and it tends to pick up a lot of malware that McAfee, NOD32, and AntiVir miss with detection names very similar to Kaspersky's.

How can this be Rich?

Here's a quickie for you:

My Computer Won't Shut Down Itself After Installing XP


Malware and an antivirus, really suspect...unless by that they mean virus and Trojans. As for installing and unistalling, that system must be extremely messed up and we really need to know a lot more than that, as at this point we don't know much.
Larry. the real answer to Norton not shutting down isn't to change the subject so let me answer it for you without doing that, in the spirit of good reporting!
There are many known conflicts between Norton software and other programs. As a matter of f act we know that Norton Ghost with Kaspersky onboard, causes the identical issue and it has existed for a year now.
What this probably means is there is another issue between Norton and another program or two that is causing that. I mean we also know that Norton and Office97 requires a special patch to install office 97. We also know that a Nav update years ago sabotaged Quicken and made it into a snail. So I'm sure there are more.

[casey]

From Kaspersky:

To start with, let's take a look at the companies manufacturing standard solutions which protect against computer viruses. By standard solutions, I mean software for desktops, file servers, mail servers, and the perimeter of corporate networks.

The total market for such standard solutions was estimated as being $2.7 billion in 2003 and $3.3 billion in 2004, with $3.8 billion being the predicted figure for 2005. All antivirus manufacturers are divided into 3 groups; industry leaders, second tier companies, and others (those which have no significant effect - if any - on the antivirus landscape).

The leaders include Symantec, McAfee (NAI) and Trend Micro. These three companies occupy leading positions in all markets, with a few exceptions (for instance, Trend Micro dominates the Japanese market). Symantec and NAI (McAfee) are North American. Trend Micro is originally a Taiwanese company which was floated on the Japanese stock market. It is currently headquartered in the USA.

The second tier includes companies whose turnover is significantly lower than the leading three. However, these companies still have an annual turnover of tens of millions of dollars and include Sophos (UK), Panda Software (Spain), Computer Associates (USA), F-Secure (Finland), Norman (Norway), AhnLab (S.Korea) and Kaspersky Lab (Russia).

The majority of second tier companies have a significant presence in their respective domestic markets, but a relatively small presence in foreign markets. For instance, Sophos is most successful in the UK, Panda in Spain, F-Secure in Scandinavian countries, etc.

The third group includes several dozen antivirus companies. The best known include:
* Alwil - Awast (the Czech Republic)
* Arcabit - MKS (Poland)
* Doctor Web - DrWeb (Russia)
* ESET - NOD32 (Slovakia)
* Frisk Software - F-Prot (Iceland)
* GriSoft - AVG (the Czech Republic)
* H+BEDV - AntiVir (Germany)
* Hauri - VI Robot (South Korea)
* SoftWin - BitDefender (Romania)
* VirusBuster - VirusBuster (Hungary)

The third group also includes UNA and Stop! (both Ukrainian), Rising and KingSoft (China) and others.

The majority of companies in this group do not disclose any financial information. However, some estimates state that annual turnover is around $10 million.