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PeteF
05-03-2006, 12:00 PM
Descriptions we have actually had before which is to say what should go in Hardware/Software reviesw, Windows XP etc, to help people choose where to put a post...in fact I thought someone had suggested a whole bunch a while back, but that needs to be done as we have a few seemingly duplicative headers to post in.


Rich,
This forum categories & descriptions issue is actualy a very interesting topic.
Initially when the new vBulletin software came online here I was suggesting
that we eliminiate overlapping categories to keep things more simple and
avoid confusion to the user as to where to post. On that note, I went to
do some research on various other very successful forums. In doing so
the light bulb went on in my head as I discovered the real value & purpose
to having multiple forums as opposed to just a few. It's not so much about
usability but more about marketing and attracting new members.

For example, someone stumbles upon a particular Forum, they look at all
the categories of the different forums and get an impression of what
"goodies" are there for them. They might even enter a few that look
interesting just to browse around. So having many different categories
give the impression that you have more to offer and this will attract
more people to join up. Having many categories also provides a seed
for thought for a person who wants to make a new post. For example,
we have no category for "Programming" but if we did, it might encourage
people to post on that topic. So the point I'm making is that multiple
categories are good for marketing purposes but not so great for
usability because it makes things more complex.

Ok, now let's look at it from a usability standpoint. More categories
creates all sorts of problems such as posts made in the wrong under the
wrong category, cross-posting, decisions as to what category to post
in, locating a post by having to navigate in and out of multiple categories,
etc., etc.. So now we might say that detailed descriptions and some
new rules might help to solve all those problems. Right?

Well, I say forget about it. No real need to. :)
In reality, in dosen't matter if a few posts here and there are made in the
wrong category forum. It doesn;t matter that much if there is an ocasional
cross-posting (same msg in multi categories). Why??? Becasue most regular
members are going to be using the "New Posts" feature or the Forum SEARCH
feature to locate mesages to read. No need for detailed descriptions on
the different categories of forums either because 90% of the people will
never read those descritpions anyway.

Ok, with all that said, I feel it's good to have many diverse forum
categories (even some overlapping) for making an impressive looking
system that would serve to draw in new members and also encourage
them to browse around and post. No need for detailed descriptions on
the forums or stifling rules about where to post, just let people decide
by giving them enough options. As for usability for the regular memebers,
post a few sticky messages about how to use the forum most efficiently
by using the "New Posts" feature and the Forums "SEARCH" feature that
both cut across all the different categories of forums.

Makes sense?

---pete---

dbarrow
05-03-2006, 12:49 PM
The functionality of Vbulletin does eliminate the need to organize as New Posts and Search will find what you are looking for anyway.

The original purpose of "coherent structure" relates to search engines, rankings, and as you note, new users finding a full and comphrehensive bbs. First impressions are a plus and covering the spectrum makes for an attractive and inviting bbs.

If you were entering the bbs for the first time, what would grab your attention and make you explore further?
Current layout has not given us much problem of "where to put it" but if there is anything you think would add to appeal, we can do that.

I know I personnaly tend to stay away from bbs where everything is lumped together. I do frequent some where layout is similar to ours and scan only certain subscribed forums. Again, Vbulletin lends that functionality nicely.

What we still have left to do is more eye candy on the home page, the ad pages, and bringing back the archives.
I know there were some good ones in there and I have often searched for something I posted but lost track of on my machine, like the utility you posted a link to but forgot to download and now you need it...

tonyd
05-03-2006, 02:43 PM
I use the New Post feature. It gets me to where I need to be quickly. The only thing I don't like is that all the non-computer related posts show up intermingled with the computer related posts. Personally, I like the way RBL's place works - I don't have to be bothered by all those 'other' postings. If I want to talk politics, I'd go elsewhere. (I'm probably a minority in thinking this way).

I agree that showing all the forum topics gives someone new to the site an idea of what we're about. I haven't checked, but can you limit searchs to individual foums? If so, that would be another reason to have the various forums.
-td

dbarrow
05-03-2006, 05:52 PM
ATTN: Adam, are there any options to EXCLUDE individual forums from "new posts".
I know there are various ways to access things in Vbulletin including subscribed forums.

compusimple
05-03-2006, 05:58 PM
I agree with tony,
Elliott

mylanta
05-03-2006, 07:13 PM
I actually agree with Tony and Elliot here and wonder if there would be a way to make a separation under "New Posts" Where we have a division between tech and everything else as old BBS does, so that those who do not want to deal with that segment can totally avoid it.

mommalina
05-03-2006, 10:22 PM
I actually agree with Tony and Elliot here and wonder if there would be a way to make a separation under "New Posts" Where we have a division between tech and everything else as old BBS does, so that those who do not want to deal with that segment can totally avoid it.

I agree also.....even though I usually check all new posts. Sometimes you guys go off topic and start discussing something I'm interested in.

Separations under "New Posts" will be even more helpful when we start getting a lot more posts each day.

Lina

Terry Hanushek
05-04-2006, 08:54 AM
Tony / Elliott

To address your interest in reading new posts in some forums but not others, the vBulletin software already has this flexibility.

Rather than pulling down the New Posts tab and getting a list of all topics with new posts, I suggest that you try this alternative approach.

1. Go to the Forums page (or pull down the Forums tab). This will show all forums grouped in their general categories. Forums which have new posts will have an orange tinted bulletin board icon to their immediate left. If there are no new posts, the bulletin board icon will be in a subdued blue.

2. Select and open the forums with new posts that interest you. Within these forums, each topic with new posts will have a 'V' icon to their immediate left. These topics will also be in bold font.

3. Click on the 'V' icon to go to the first unread post or the topic name to go to the first post. If you click on the name to see the first post, there will be another 'V' icon in the topic header with View First Unread which will give you a second opportunity to go to the first unread post.

New posts within the thread will have a golden yellow square in the upper left of the post header next to the time and date. Posts which have been previously read will have a blue square.

As you read new posts, vBulletin will be turning off these new post indications so that you can focus on the remaining new items.

I have found vBulletin to be the most flexible BBS software available. I am very impressed with its ability to present topics in meaningful ways.

Terry

PeteF
05-04-2006, 09:02 AM
I use the New Post feature. It gets me to where I need to be quickly. The only thing I don't like is that all the non-computer related posts show up intermingled with the computer related posts. Personally, I like the way RBL's place works - I don't have to be bothered by all those 'other' postings. If I want to talk politics, I'd go elsewhere. (I'm probably a minority in thinking this way).


Tony, I toally agree with you.
I've been to many vBulletin forums and I've never seen one where you
can opt-out or totally ignore specific categories of forums, so I suspect
it can't be done. It's probably a new feature we'd have to convince the
vBulletin developers to add in.

I'd rather see the political forums on a seprate system apart from
the computer & technical forums. It's not that I'm NOT into the
political topics, but I value the relationships I have with the people
here too much to risk getting into political discussions because that
could wreck things. A wise thing is to never discuss religion & politics
with your business contacts because both are such emotional and
volitile issues. ---pete---

mylanta
05-04-2006, 09:39 AM
Well 2 points on the politics and religion. Could you all imagine if Larry(Casey to someof you) and I didn't agree poitically. That discussion would "pale" the Norton epics we construct!!!
On a side note, funny or not, we should never lose friends or clients though over politics, not if the relationships are real!
And also I do use the forum the way Terry suggested which is to go in on the topics I am intersted in on most other forums. Here I can't because I need to be a Mod as well, so I use "New Posts" just to keep abreast of what is happening.

PeteF
05-04-2006, 10:22 AM
And also I do use the forum the way Terry suggested which is to go in on the topics I am intersted in on most other forums. Here I can't because I need to be a Mod as well, so I use "New Posts" just to keep abreast of what is happening.

The way I do it is to use "New Posts".
I open each interesting post in a new tab.

For threads that have many replies already, I click the ">" button
to jump to the last message in the thread and read backwards
up the thread.

Then after opening all those tabs, I begin reading from the right-most
tab and close each tab as I'm done. When I get back to the original
"New Posts" tab, I click "New Posts" again just in case someone posted
while I was doing all that reading & replying.

When done, I then select Quick Links -> Mark All Forums Read,
and I close the browser.

---pete---

mylanta
05-04-2006, 11:49 AM
That is exactly what I do...

tonyd
05-05-2006, 09:44 AM
Terry,
The instructions you posted are working well. It really helps he filter out the political posts.

The only issue I see is if you go to one of the forums and there's a new post in an very old thread, since it falls below the screen, you may not see it. However, this is easly solved by clicking on the New Post icon after looking thru everything. Anything you missed will surface. (I think somenoe else mentioned clicking on New Posts afterwards just in case they missed something).

Thanks for the instructions. I'm getting a better feel for this place.

-td

Terry Hanushek
05-05-2006, 01:14 PM
Tony

The only issue I see is if you go to one of the forums and there's a new post in an very old thread, since it falls below the screen, you may not see it.
You will find that active topics move to the top of each forum so that new posts do not go undetected. Most BBS software (except WebBoard) have this feature.

I'm glad this technique is working out for you.

Terry

dale@fcg
05-05-2006, 04:58 PM
I agree also.....even though I usually check all new posts. Sometimes you guys go off topic and start discussing something I'm interested in.

Lina

I totally agree with Lina. So many times a thread goes off on a few different tangents (like the recent posts by Photolady- also like our Paltalk on Wed. nites). Most times it's a relevant but different topic, and I'd never catch it or learn from it or add to it if I didn't read all the new posts.