View Full Version : Report: Vista to hit anti-spyware, firewall markets
dbarrow
05-09-2006, 05:19 PM
http://news.com.com/Report+Vista+to+hit+anti-spyware%2C+firewall+markets/2100-1029_3-6069464.html?tag=cd.top
New security features in Windows Vista will largely eliminate the need to run separate antispyware or firewall software, according to a new analyst report. ...
http://news.com.com/Report+Vista+to+hit+anti-spyware%2C+firewall+markets/2100-1029_3-6069464.html?tag=cd.top
New security features in Windows Vista will largely eliminate the need to run separate antispyware or firewall software, according to a new analyst report. ...
If it's ever released, that is. They seem to keep pushing it back, which doesn't sound so promising. And the firewall market is kind of a mess as it is. I'm using the XP firewall right now though I've proven to myself it sucks. I ran a bit-torrent program and set the firewall to ban it, and it just kept letting it throug;kinda like Woody Allen being the bouncer at a biker bar. I'll probably go back to ZA if the Vista firewall is as anemic. Spyware programs are even a bigger mess, with a lot of scam involved. But one product has never seemed to be adequete.
I doubt if I'll even try Vista for a year or two anyway; I learned my lesson about jumping to a newly-released OS with ME; Give 'em time to get it right.
RAK
PeteF
05-10-2006, 05:58 AM
New security features in Windows Vista will largely eliminate the need to run separate antispyware or firewall software, according to a new analyst report.
Due out early next year, the next major release of Microsoft's flagship operating system promises not only to increase security for consumers, it will also dramatically affect the $3.6 billion market for Windows security products, according to a Yankee Group report scheduled to be published Monday.
This is the smartest thing that MS has done in a long time!
From talking to so many regular Windows users, my perception is that
not too many are looking forward to updating to Vista but they are
sick and tired of all the virus & spyware problems and all the money
wasted on 3rd party products as well as the complications in involved
in multi levels of protection. If MS can solve that problem, people
will flock to Vista. My feeling is that people would even dump their old
PC and buy a new one with Vista if their old PC becomes too infected.
However, MS needs to have the all in one solution, which also means
anti-virus capabilities.
But Vista won't have any effect on the antivirus software space, which at $2.6 billion is the largest market for Windows desktop security software, according to Yankee Group. Vista does not include antivirus functionality; Microsoft plans to sell its Windows Live OneCare antivirus software separately starting next month.
The second smartest thing they can do is perfect their own anti-virus
solution. So it seems like a good strategy to market it separately ASAP
so they can get all the bugs worked out. Then in the future they have
the option to sell it as an add-on to Vista or if Vista sales need help,
they can include it for FREE.
Yep, this malware protection scheme is just the thing that will
make people flock to Vista. But it has to work!
Just my 2 cents. :)
---pete---
Dan18960
05-10-2006, 06:22 AM
You know as much as M$ talks about securing this and patching that - Vista Beta - 2 is already in the hands of most hackers being reversed engineered EVERY DAY. By the time Vista is released it will be completely hacked and we will STILL be downloading patches on a weekly basis.
IF they would just get the darn IE out of the operating system and MAKE IT AN OPERATING SYSTEM instead of Desktop to the internet - I would be soooo much happier.
And we are not going to stop users from going to those stupid spyware infected sites they seem to love to download.
I just got back a computer that I cleaned just a couple of months ago - the registry was filled with porn sites, spyfalcon, smitfraud, and every other popup ad garbage from the internet. So as long as users are trying to get free porn, music, and videos from every ditch of the internet - I guess I am going to be secure in my job.
Terry Hanushek
05-10-2006, 09:03 AM
Doug
New security features in Windows Vista will largely eliminate the need to run separate antispyware or firewall software, according to a new analyst report. ...
Who better to protect the M$ operating system and browser than the folks who created the vulnerabilities in the first place. :eek:
I tend to agree with Dan that rather than continually expanding its scope, M$ should concentrate on its operating system and stop absorbing other functions. Over the past decade, they have taken on utilities and Internet browsing with mixed success. Adding antispyware and firewall software for 'free' will only stagnate and dumb down these areas by discouraging competition from smaller, quicker software companies.
Terry
mylanta
05-10-2006, 09:05 AM
Dan,
Other than for Windows Update and active-x necessity scans, most of us never use IE, what is holding you up? You copmplain about it's being there and won't even try another bropwser? I would uninstall it which you supposedly now can do by terms of the Ms Court settlement a few years ago, but need it for Updates.
mylanta
05-10-2006, 09:06 AM
Doug
Who better to protect the M$ operating system and browser than the folks who created the vulnerabilities in the first place. :eek:
I tend to agree with Dan that rather than continually expanding its scope, M$ should concentrate on its operating system and stop absorbing other functions. Over the past decade, they have taken on utilities and Internet browsing with mixed success. Adding antispyware and firewall software for 'free' will only stagnate and dumb down these areas by discouraging competition from smaller, quicker software companies.
Terry
Ordinarily I would agree with you Terry, but having tested every firewall going, I would not be using any if it weren't for the Windows firewall.
there are some areas where integration obviously makes sense if you want the thing to run right.
I would not be using any if it weren't for the Windows firewall.
there are some areas where integration obviously makes sense if you want the thing to run right.
It may be well intergrated, Rich, but does it really do anything? I have seen with my own eyes programs that I purposely block that keep running, inbound and outbound.With any other firewall I"ve used, when I say STOP, it STOPS! If M$ had bought Sygate, I would be more confident about their next generation firewall.
mylanta
05-10-2006, 01:38 PM
I have had block messages from firewall, ever since SP2.
Right this moment I am running a bit-torrent program. I deleted it from my exception list in XP Firewall. As soon as I opened it, the block-or-no block message apeared. I hit block, and at this moment it is downloading and uploading; Even though XP tells me it is blocked.The funny part is, it is even running faster than if I unblocked it. Not only that, but once again it has appeared in my list of Exceptions! This isn't Security; more like Homeland Security.:wacko: I ain't making this up, Rich.
dbarrow
05-10-2006, 02:33 PM
RAK, could that be a feature of the program where it is telling the XP firewall to allow it?
I think one of the problems of "MS integration" is that, in order to make it simple for stupid, too many programs and apps will simply tell the XP fire wall to allow them to pass and it will be written in the program.
That would lead me to wonder "who's in charge, here". I've used other bit-torrent apps that would continue to attempt to access ports even after they closed. Sygate used to send a warning and I would hit block, and that's all she wrote. Xp seems to be a rather passive sort of firewall. I mean, you would think NO! means NO!
If the program's in charge, then this thing seems pretty useless.
mylanta
05-10-2006, 02:48 PM
Could only happen to you RAK, I tried the same thing one time with something and it stopped it. You do know that bit-torrent is loaded with spyware right?
This one's pretty reliable, Rich. Pricelessware approved. They use it to distribute their Freeware CD. You don't even install it. Just hit it and it starts. I also just noticed that XP never asks whether to block Hit Recorder, and doesn't even list it in my Exceptions list. Well, I'm dumpin' this turkey. Back to ZA!
mylanta
05-10-2006, 03:20 PM
Most forums will close the post when bit torrent is mentioned RAK.
Just using it for demonstrational purposes; will make note. I'll just refer to "internet tool" in the future. It has legal uses, though. Warner Bros. is planning to use it. I Apologise for any indescresion.
Anyway, went back to ZA. Can be a pain, but at least it gives you more control. Was able to get my network up after a few blocks. And you could be right, Doug. Traffic was stopped with ZA but still showed minimal activity; hit Internet Lock and that shut everything out. I just feel more in control rather than taking for granted Xp firewall is working.
tonyd
05-10-2006, 06:54 PM
No spyware or viruses on either of my Apple PowerBooks.
Yeah, I was gonna bring that up too. But, good news; Now that Macs can run Windows, we can share some of that fun:) :smash: By the way,great commercial(Uh -oh, gonna crash):frusty:
Pi rules
05-10-2006, 10:09 PM
That doesn't mean Mac OS is less vulnerable, it's just not used as much, so less people try to exploit it (see here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/09/mcafee_mac_security_risk/) for McAfee's warning).
I still doubt that Vista's firewall be will better than even ZoneAlarm's free version. Their Windows Live OneCare firewall, which I presume is similar to Vista's, is sadly lacking some key features and advanced settings. It might stop some spyware, but it can't stop all of it.
"Where there's a will, there's a way." On the other hand, Vista is a move in the right direction security-wise from what I have seen so far.
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