The Great AV Debate

[mylanta]

Wow I see Larry heading to Staples right now buying 12 copies of Norton System Works 2006 for future projects at the low low price of $4.94!!!!

[casey]

Just returned from Staples. Got another copy of XP Home and Altec set of speakers,,,No, I didn't get Norton works as I have a copy on the shelf not used. Did think of Norton 2006 for $9.99 and still might get that this week. I spent
enough this week on Computer parts. Must backoff a little..
High Gas Prices...

[mylanta]

Ah I knew you at least were thinking about it!!!! Tempted anyway.

[dale@fcg]

Oh boy! Both of Rich's friends from CyberTech have no idea what they just stepped in. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!

[photolady]

That's okay Dale, I have been on both sides at one time. But after norton anti let in a few viruses to "my Baby" it was uninstalled immediately following the 9 page removal instructions. There is no reason, none what so ever a software should have 9 pages for removing it. GRRR!!!

[Pi rules]

Don't worry, I'm aware of his dislike of Symantec products. ;)

[mylanta]

Larry,
Are you listening? Did you hear what PL said?Does it ring any bells?

[casey]

Now if I would tell all of you that there are many,many,many people out there that think
anything Microsoft is nothing but Junk would you believe me? Yet you all go with what you believe no matter what anyone tells you. Where is that any different then what I think of Symantec(NAV2006).
Like I've said before It works just as well as anything else( never had a virus ) over the years I have used it.
And it's a LOT cheaper then most. So if you guys can pick Microsoft software over all the problems other people are having with it I can pick Nav 2006.:argue:

[mylanta]

Larry,
There are at least 12 other perfectly saleable antivirus programs that could be used. There is no other OS that I would call acceptable I could put in my PC.

[dale@fcg]

:fencing::boxing::blah::yield:

[photolady]

For one thing Casey, XP doesn't stop my programs from working (norton does), doesn't take over the machine so I can't use it (norton does) and doesn't hog resources so bad that my machine slows to a crawl (norton does).

it's a LOT cheaper then most. HUH???? not cheaper than the ones I get.......(free) and those work just as well and AVG has never let a virus in my computer as Norton did.

[Pi rules]

Still, you can't really judge a program based on one incident. There are problems with any program and OS out there. It's just that the most popular ones (XP, and even Norton) whose holes get pointed out the most. Mac OS X has holes, Linux had rootkits first, etc.

I use Avast! (free); I know it isn't the best protection and doesn't offer as much protection as NAV 06 would, but I doubt I'll get a virus, and if I do, I know how to remove it manually if necessary. However, the lesser protection also uses less resources than NAV. Each OS and program has pros and cons, and different people have their own opinions and are unlikely to change them. Many of the AV programs people consider "best" like Nod32 offer great protection while using few resources, but their interfaces aren't as simple for new users as NAV's are.

I would recommend NAV to a relatively inexperienced user over Nod32, Avast!, AVG, etc. under most circumstances. The protection is balanced with easy-to-use features. It all depends on what you value in the product (and the price). ;)

PS: There are a lot of smilies here. :dizzy: I could probably type anything between colons and a smilie (is that what it's called?) would replace it. ;)

[mylanta]

The popularity of Nav is both advertising and exposure between it being in virtually every "brick and mortar" store and installed on so many new computers requring a purchase in 90 days to keep.
No one has mentioned my favorite problem with it is that it can't clean a file. Those of you who have used it, haven't you noticed other antivirus programs repel the virus and never let it in while Nav brings it in and then quarantines everything because that is all it can do with them.
Ordinarily who cares because there is nothing of value coning in with a virus, but what bothers me isn't that. What bothers me is all of us who left it had the experience of Nav letting a virus in and it being there for a while. What would happen if a virus Nav let in did what most try to do an infected a Windows System32 file and you had to quarantine the file? This is where being able to clean a file is important.

[casey]

For one thing Casey, XP doesn't stop my programs from working (norton does), doesn't take over the machine so I can't use it (norton does) and doesn't hog resources so bad that my machine slows to a crawl (norton does).

HUH???? not cheaper than the ones I get.......(free) and those work just as well and AVG has never let a virus in my computer as Norton did.

Well Rich, I don't hear you saying anything. Would you like to tell photolady what you think of AVG. PL I also use AVG on two of my computers.I also use NAV on two computers.

Now I can truthfully say that NAV has never stopped my programs from working , doesn't take over my machine, and if it's hogging resource I must have a lot of extra resources because my computers run fine...
You also say that XP has never caused these problems on your machine, but can you say that XP has never caused these problems on other machines? I bet I could find someone on the internet that has had these problems with XP. That's my point....

And I have gotten NAV free already....

I don't know why Norton let a virus in your computer, but there could be other reasons.

I'd just say, ask Rich what he thinks of your Antivirus...

[mylanta]

You know what, you are right I don't have much use for Avg for a few reasons. Avg was just approved last year for the first time for XP by the VB100. At the same time it did not pass for 98, Me or Windows 2000.
Nod32 has been # 1 for 16 years and has never failed for any OS. This year BTW, Avg passed for all but 98. But for how long will it.
I am using Avg on this pc, because so many of my clients do and they have questions about it. It is almost worthless at trojan detection, but does a fair job with virus and is not a drain on resources.
Larry knows I don't believe in free programs and run almost none.
But if my choices were Nav or Avg, I would take Avg in a heart beat.
but the truth of the matter is I wouldn't run either.
And my history started with 5 trojans I determined had been in my system for over 6 months when I was a loyal Nav user. RBob(Kern to some), and Doug have had the same experience. Oh and my other problem is I would never put a program in any of my systems that requires a speacial remover to uninstall.

[photolady]

There aren't other reasons norton let a virus in, it just didn't catch it/them.

And if norton isn't, in your opinion, slowing your computer down, are you sure? Maybe you're computer is slower, you just don't know it. LOL

I've found that over the years some people just refuse to budge even though the facts are there about what a software can and will do to their computers and that, they're a bit stubborn. :D

Case in fact, one of my coworkers swore by norton too, then I suggested he remove norton and install, not AVG, but EzTrust from CA. He did, his computer now works much faster and he said he never realized Norton was what slowed his computer down.

[casey]

The popularity of Nav is both advertising and exposure between it being in virtually every "brick and mortar" store and installed on so many new computers requring a purchase in 90 days to keep.
No one has mentioned my favorite problem with it is that it can't clean a file. Those of you who have used it, haven't you noticed other antivirus programs repel the virus and never let it in while Nav brings it in and then quarantines everything because that is all it can do with them.
Ordinarily who cares because there is nothing of value coning in with a virus, but what bothers me isn't that. What bothers me is all of us who left it had the experience of Nav letting a virus in and it being there for a while. What would happen if a virus Nav let in did what most try to do an infected a Windows System32 file and you had to quarantine the file? This is where being able to clean a file is important.

Now watch the tap dance....

"I decided to go with another year of NOD32. It's fast, I've never had a virus with it, and it just works. The only thing still bugging me is how, whenever NOD32 finds something infected or a malicious file, it just about NEVER is able to do anything about it. It always says it can't quarantine it.. or it can't delete it. It got me wondering what I have it installed for in the first place.. it finds dangerous files, but can't do anything to them. Sorta pointless, eh? In one way or another, I still always managed to neutralize the threat, so it's not a huge problem. I would like it to be able to actually delete or quarantine the dangerous files. Even so, I've never been infected with it installed, and I guess that's what's most important with A/V software. Real-world protection.

[casey]

There aren't other reasons norton let a virus in, it just didn't catch it/them.

And if norton isn't, in your opinion, slowing your computer down, are you sure? Maybe you're computer is slower, you just don't know it. LOL

I've found that over the years some people just refuse to budge even though the facts are there about what a software can and will do to their computers and that, they're a bit stubborn. :D

Case in fact, one of my coworkers swore by norton too, then I suggested he remove norton and install, not AVG, but EzTrust from CA. He did, his computer now works much faster and he said he never realized Norton was what slowed his computer down.

I really appreciate when people tell me I how my computer is working. I guess I would believe it more if I didn't have an two AMD 64bit 3000's sitting here to compare. If your computer is so poor that a program like NAV2006 is effecting it, I would say it's time to get another computer. I have an opteron running AVG which is faster then the main computer but It isn't because of AVG, it's because the Opteron is FASTER.
ALL of these computers were built in this room from the ground up so I have seen them run without any Anti Virus.

I laugh when I read how NAV slows computers. Every program slows computers to a degree. If it's noticeable then something is wrong with your computer. Tell me how much faster my computer would be without NAV.
Just maybe your co-worker had a slow computer to start with and shouldn't have been running NAV.

[casey]

Rich says:

I am using Avg on this pc, because so many of my clients do and they have questions about it. It is almost worthless at trojan detection, but does a fair job with virus and is not a drain on resources.

Rich, I just wanted everyone to see that you are running AVG, This is hilarious...

[casey]

PI says:
I use Avast! (free); I know it isn't the best protection and doesn't offer as much protection as NAV 06 would, but I doubt I'll get a virus, and if I do, I know how to remove it manually if necessary

I used Avast a while back when I was running XP 64bit operating system. It was a year trial edition and Avast worked in the 64 bit environment without any problems. After the trial I went back to regular 32 bit XP and used AVG.

[mylanta]

Larry,
I wish I knew why Nav lovers don't see the difference and I am convinced you could remove Nav, run no antivirus and find no change in your pc. PL this is never going to fly until one day he wakes up and finds a host of trojans on his system. Larry, out of curiosity do you ever run online scans at eWido, Bit Defender, Panda or Trend Micro? Would it pain you to do a few every so often for us?

[mylanta]

Rich says:

I am using Avg on this pc, because so many of my clients do and they have questions about it. It is almost worthless at trojan detection, but does a fair job with virus and is not a drain on resources.

Rich, I just wanted everyone to see that you are running AVG, This is hilarious...


Larry what is hillarius about this, I have Avg running on the Win 2000 Pc I am on right now. And as I said it is here because I have many usersrunning it.
Now that said, this pc is on a pci wireless network adapter that links to a USR Router which intiates the network and runs Nod32 and Pest Patrol. Ask me if I would dare run Avg on that pc?

[mylanta]

Now watch the tap dance....

"I decided to go with another year of NOD32. It's fast, I've never had a virus with it, and it just works. The only thing still bugging me is how, whenever NOD32 finds something infected or a malicious file, it just about NEVER is able to do anything about it. It always says it can't quarantine it.. or it can't delete it. It got me wondering what I have it installed for in the first place.. it finds dangerous files, but can't do anything to them. Sorta pointless, eh? In one way or another, I still always managed to neutralize the threat, so it's not a huge problem. I would like it to be able to actually delete or quarantine the dangerous files. Even so, I've never been infected with it installed, and I guess that's what's most important with A/V software. Real-world protection.


Well I have my dancing shoes on and what you are seeing here as not removable etc, is how Nod reacts to false positives. User needs to be a lttle less critical and a little more klnowledgeable on what he is demeaning!
Turn heuristics off or down a notch and there would be nothing shown

[casey]

Well I have my dancing shoes on and what you are seeing here as not removable etc, is how Nod reacts to false positives. User needs to be a lttle less critical and a little more klnowledgeable on what he is demeaning!
Turn heuristics off or down a notch and there would be nothing shown

And this was without music . Wow your good...

[casey]

Larry, out of curiosity do you ever run online scans at eWido, Bit Defender, Panda or Trend Micro? Would it pain you to do a few every so often for us?__________________


Rich, I told you many times that i have been running Symantec for many years and over the years when I read about different online scans I would try them. They never found nothing and I was satisfied. I recently told you the story of housecall, who by the way this person was using an out of date Mcafee, and I was installing AVG for her. Before I installed AVG I thought I'd show her how smart I was by doing an online scan at housecall. It found a couple of virus that were deleted. I then thinking all is clear installed AVG and ran AVG only to find 5 more virus that housecall didn't find. That
convinced me that they are useless. Why are all you people worried about my computer getting a virus.
Look at it this way. I got NAV2006 for $9.99 which is $30 cheaper then Nod32. If I get a virus I just use Acronis to install the backup and I'm back in business.
It's worth $30 a year and since after using Symantec more years then you even knew about Nod 32 and not getting any viruses, can you imagine how much money I saved? Your not even sure Nod 32 will be around as long as I've been using Symantec. Besides Rich, should we list the different things you recommended which you don't anymore? Remember when you wouldn't buy a hard drive that wasn't 133?

[mylanta]

Nod32 has been around at least 17 years larry, because that is how long they have been #1 at "virus in the wild" at VB100.
I do remember the Trend Micro story and funny I mentioned it here today, but I normally don't recomment that onre any more but use Bit Defender instead. Other thing about Trend Micro story is it wasn't one of your pc's and I don't care whether you love Nav or not, it really still is a good idea to do at least bi-weekly scans with an online scanner anyway just to be safe.
Yeah I was into 133 ide drives and I paid bitterly for that with all those Maxtor dog drives. I wasted a fortune on postage sending them back rma too until I wised upa nd started throwing them away.

[casey]

***Nod32 has been around at least 17 years larry, because that is how long they have been #1 at "virus in the wild" at VB100.***

Yep, It's been around at least 17 years....Let's see from 1992 to 2006= ???


NOD32" . . . what does it mean ?
The very first version of what is now called NOD32 was created in Czechoslovakia in 1992 around the time the first computer viruses appeared.

[mylanta]

I could swear I read 16 years last year...so I stand corrected I guess. But in any case, this is not a new product now is it?

[mommalina]

:argue:

Different strokes for different folks. Different anti-virus scanners for different computer gurus. What's the big deal?

:peace:

Lina

[casey]

:argue:

Different strokes for different folks. Different anti-virus scanners for different computer gurus. What's the big deal?

:peace:

Lina

Lina,

I agree 100%. I could care less what anyone uses as long as they are satisfied. I AM SATISFIED WITH NAV.

[mylanta]

Let the truth be known...I agree!!! Matter of fact I wish more folks would use Nav ( I need the business)........

[casey]

Let the truth be known...I agree!!! Matter of fact I wish more folks would use Nav ( I need the business)........


More Dancing without Music...

The test was made on 02-16 April 2005, using Windows XP Professional SP1 on a P4 2600 Mhz, 512MB DDRAM.
All programs tested had the latest versions, upgrades and updates and they were tested using their full scanning capabilities e.g. heuristics, full scan etc. The default settings of each program were not used, in order for each program to achieve its maximum detection rate. Because of this, there is a possibility for the tested programs to detect a few false positives.
The 91202 virus samples were chosen using VS2000 according to Kaspersky, F-Prot, RAV, Nod32, Dr.Web, Sweep, BitDefender and McAfee antivirus programs. Each virus sample was unique by virus name, meaning that AT LEAST 1 antivirus program detected it as a new unique virus (by virus name).
ALL virus samples were unpacked and the only samples that were kept were the ones that were packed using external-dos-packers (that means not winzip, winrar, winace etc).
The virus samples had the correct file extension using a special program (Renexts) and were unique, according to checksum32 filesize.
Most of the virus samples used were not previously replicated at the time the test was made, which means that some of them, although probably only a few, may be false positives. The procedure of testing each and every virus sample is still under process.
The program PER was not tested because there was no english demo version available.
The programs Extendia AVK , BOClean , VET , Titan , RisingAV and Freedom were not tested because there was no demo version available.
The program InVircible did not include a "typical" scanner-function and could not be tested.
The program V-Catch checks only mail accounts and could not be tested.
The following file types were used.
BAT, ???, CLA, CLASS, CLS, COM, CSC, DAT, DOC, ELF, EML, EXE, HLP, HQX, HTA, HTM, IMG, INF, INI, JS, MAC, MDB, MSG, OLE, PHP, PIF, PL, PPT, PRC, REG, SCR, SH, SHS, SMM, STI, TD0, TPU, VBA, VBS, WBT, XLS, XMI, XML.
The virus samples were divided into these categories, according to the type of the virus :
File = BeOS, FreeBSD, Linux, Palm, OS2, Unix, BinaryImage, BAS viruses, MenuetOS viruses.
MS-DOS = MS-DOS and HLL*. viruses.
Windows = Win.*.* viruses.
Macro = Macro and Formula viruses.
Malware = Adware, DoS, Constructors, Exploit, Flooders, Nukers, Sniffers, Spoofers, Virus Construction Tools, Virus Tools, Droppers, PolyEngines.
Script = BAT, Corel, HTML, Java, Scripts, VBS, WBS, Worms, PHP, Perl viruses.
Trojans-Backdoors = Trojan and Backdoor viruses.
Rank
1. Kaspersky Personal Pro version 5.0.20 - 99.28%
2. AVK version 15.0.5 - 97.93%
3. F-Secure 2005 version 5.10.450 - 97.55%
4. eScan Virus Control version 2.6.518.8 - 96.75%
5. Norton Corporate version 9.0.3.1000 - 91.64%
6. Norton Professional version 2005 - 91.57%
7. McAfee version 9.0.10 - 89.75%
8. Virus Chaser version 5.0 - 88.31%
9. BitDefender version 8.0.137 - 88.13%
10. CyberScrub version 1.0 - 87.87%
11. Panda Platinum 2005 version 9.01.02 - 87.75%
12. Arcavir - 87.73%
13. MKS_VIR 2005 - 87.70%
14. RAV version 8.6.105 - 87.26%
15. F-Prot version 3.16b - 87.07%
16. Panda Titanium version 4.01.02 - 86.27%
17. PC-Cillin 2005 version 12.1.1034 - 85.98%
18. Nod32 version 2.12.4 - 85.66%
19. Command version 4.92.7 - 84.92%
20. AntiVir version 6.30.00.17 - 84.50%
21. Avast version 4.6.623 - 79.65%
22. Dr. Web version 4.32b - 78.71%
23. Sophos Sweep version 3.91 - 73.79%
24. UNA version 1.83 - 73.49%
25. BullGuard version 4.5 - 70.24%
26. Norman version 5.80.05 - 65.32%
27. Ikarus version 5.16 - 60.97%
28. AVG version 7.0.308 - 54.07%
29. E-Trust version 7.0.5.3 - 52.35%
30. ZoneAlarm with VET Antivirus version 5.5.062.011 - 52.32%
31. Vexira 2005 version 5.0.56 - 51.74%
32. VirusBuster 2005 version 5.0.147 - 51.51%
33. Solo 3.0 version 2.7.1 - 49.16%
34. Fire version 2.7 - 48.86%
35. ClamWin version 0.83 - 48.44%
36. Digital Patrol version 5.00.08 - 48.10%
37. V-Buster Pro - 46.33%
38. Protector Plus version 7.2.G01 - 45.81%
39. V3Pro 2004 - 38.87%
40. Ewido version 3.0 - 38.67%
41. ViRobot Expert version 4.0 - 38.10%
42. Quick Heal version 7.03 - 37.75%
43. VirScan Plus version 14.703 - 36.20%
44. MR2S version 2.0.104 - 35.05%
45. RHBVS version 4.60.821 - 32.96%
46. A Squared 2 version 1.6 - 25.37%
47. VirIT version 5.2.10 - 22.83%
48. TDS version 3.2.0 - 21.09%
49. Wave version 2.0 - 16.49%
50. AntiTrojan Shield version 1.4.0.15 - 11.91%
51. PC Door Guard version 3.0.0.15- 11.91%
52. Trojan Hunter version 4.2.908 - 10.19%
53. Tauscan version 1.70.1414 - 6.99%
54. Trojan Remover version 6.3.6 - 6.67%
55. The Cleaner version 4.1.42.52 - 6.28%
56. IP Armor version 5.46.0703 - 2.77%
57. Hacker Eliminator version 1.2 - 2.67%
58. Anti-Hacker & Trojan Expert 2003 version 1.6 - 0%
DETAILED TEST RESULTS (.rar compressed file)



Quotation
If its raining, or cold or both the bus will be late.

[mylanta]

And this was done by who in relation to what?

[casey]

Here's where you got the 17 year number.

As a little background history you may be interested to know that the first version of NOD began development in 1988. When released this version was unique as it did not rely on virus code or signature recognition as did anti-virus programs of the day. Of course, over time, the signature recognition was added to NOD's heuristics and the program eventually became NOD32.

[casey]

And this was done by who in relation to what?

Do you mean that it wasn't done by VB100?

This company?

Symantec AntiVirus Earns 19th VB 100% AwardSymantec AntiVirus Earns 19th VB 100% Award. Symantec AntiVirus Earns Perfect

[mylanta]

it didn't say where it was from anywhere I saw...

[casey]

it didn't say where it was from anywhere I saw...

Now your sounding like someone from the other BBS.
You don't think that I made that article up, do you..

WWW.virus.gr

[mylanta]

Now your sounding like someone from the other BBS.
You don't think that I made that article up, do you..

WWW.virus.gr (http://www.virus.gr)


No I never suggested youy made it up, I just like to know where stuff is from is all...this link www.virus.grl (http://www.virus.grl) what is that? I don't see VB100 there for sure. BTW I read VB100 monthly and I have never seen a survey that showed Norton anywhere near the top.

[casey]

TechnodromeJune 5th, 2002, 08:09 PM
June 2002 - Tested on Windows XP
AV products that received VB 100% award are:
Avast32,CA eTrust, CA Vet, Command Antivirus, DrWeb, Eset, F-Secure, GeCAD, Norman, Sophos, Symantec


Failed Products:
CAT Quickheal, F-Prot, GDATA, AVG, HAURI, Kaspersky, Leprechaun, McAfee VirusScan, NAI VirusScan, Panda, BitDefender, Trend PC-Cillin, VirusBuster

Virus Bulletin 100% Award for June 2002

Symantec:
Since its birth in 1990, over 100 million people around the world have used it.
This is a couple of years old:

Symantec AntiVirus Earns 19th VB 100% Award Symantec AntiVirus Earns 19th VB 100% Award. Symantec AntiVirus Earns Perfect

[Pi rules]

There is a summary of the latest virus bulletin 100% test here (http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/results?display=summary) (free registration required).

Eset (Nod32): Passed
Alwil (Avast!): Passed
Grisoft (AVG): 1 fail (Windows Server 2003), the rest passed
McAfee: Passed
Symantec (Norton): Passed
Trend Micro: Passed

As you can see, many AV products passed including both Norton AntiVirus and Nod32.

[dbarrow]

Bear in mind that many of these "tests" are run using old and well known bugs that have been in the signature base for a while.
All the AV makers share the master signature base.
That's how they all update the signature base so fast when something new is discovered.

What the tests don't measure is:
System load
GUI interface
Ease of install/uninstall
Method of scanning and where/when it takes place.
Whether the AV checks and catches after the bad item is already inside your machine or if it blocks it at the gate.
Ability of the AV to intercept and recognize "in the wild" or new and as yet unidentified threats not in a signature base.

The last item is where many of the lesser AVs fail as they rely soley on the signature base and file scanning "after the fact", ie: the dog is barking now because the intruder is already inside the house when it should have been stopped at the front door.

[casey]

Bear in mind that many of these "tests" are run using old and well known bugs that have been in the signature base for a while.
All the AV makers share the master signature base.
That's how they all update the signature base so fast when something new is discovered.

What it seems your saying is tha these test don't mean anything. SO I would assume that winning the VB100 award is meaningless?

[dbarrow]

The VB 100% award was first introduced in 1998. In order to display the VB 100% logo, an anti-virus product must have demonstrated in our tests that:

* It detects all In the Wild viruses during both on-demand and on-access scanning.
* It generates no false positives when scanning a set of clean files.

VB100 does test "in the wild" but there are other tests out there that do not. Not to mention, there have been some tests/reviews where they were accused of playing footsy with some of the big names.

Many of the lesser AV products don't fair well in the
"on access" area. While they will detect things with "on demand" or scheduled scanning, they don't catch it on file creation or "on access" downloading.

I have no issues with Symantec quality as far as detecting and intercepting, it always worked fine for me that way when I was using it.
What I did have issues with was drag on the machine, the fact that it totally invaded and took over your system and was a real PITA to remove, and various update problems with different versions over the years where it caused no end of grief. Not that it ever failed to do the job, there were some times when I had reason to curse it loudly!
I stopped using it when it gave up its life to defend the machine. Because of popularity, it was specifically targeted by a number of virus that would disable and destroy it.
Exactly what happened!

At the time, Rich was testing out and pushing Nod32 and after the time I spent undoing the mess and getting Norton uninstalled, I just up and switched as I was not about to go through that again!

Satisfaction with "No Overhead Detected" Nod32 is 100%.
It does the job without being intrusive or annoying.
It checks for and updates up to four times a day .. without interrupting.
Nothing has ever gotten past it on any of my boxes.
I have always been quite happy with it.
Not the prettiest GUI in the world, but how often do you look at that other than setup which wasn't difficult at all.

[PeteF]

Bear in mind that many of these "tests" are run using old and well known bugs that have been in the signature base for a while.
All the AV makers share the master signature base.


Just before we switched to vBulletin here, someone posted some URLs
to some very interesting articles and websites on this topic of AV Testing.
That's when I found this...
Click the link for February 2006 Online Results
http://www.av-comparatives.org/index.html?http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/comparatives.html

I think that av-comparatives.org gives a much better picture.
By studying their chart you can see how complex the issue is
of comparing one AV program against another. Most of all, you
can get a much clearer picture of what are the strengths
and weaknesses of each AV program. To me that's much better
than what VB100% provides.

On the issue of VB100% using outdated testing techniques, I
recall reading that in one of those articles that was referenced here
via URL just before we switched to Vbulletin. Does anyone have
that URL because I'd like to re-read the article.

---pete---

[mylanta]

Uh oh, Larry, JC, Dan and others, you do not want to go here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/index.html?http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/comparatives.html (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_11.php)

And DO NOT choose respective pro-active test nov 2005

[PeteF]

Uh oh, Larry, JC, Dan and others, you do not want to go here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/index.html?http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/comparatives.html (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_11.php)

And DO NOT choose respective pro-active test nov 2005

Rich, you can't post that URL. Error..404
You have to post this one below and direct them to the desired link.
http://www.av-comparatives.org

One thing I've learned to do is test the URLs I post after
I've posted them. It often turns up problem URLs.

Anyway, please repost and explain why you are saying not to
go to that particular page. I missed your point. Thanks.

---pete---

[casey]

Uh oh, Larry, JC, Dan and others, you do not want to go here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/index.html?http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/comparatives.html (http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2005_11.php)

And DO NOT choose respective pro-active test nov 2005

Rich, Don't you think that since they have a later comparison done that we should all look at that one?
Want to post the end results from Feb 2006? Just
put up what Nav got and Nod32 got.
Please I'm running out of music, no tap dancing...

Larry the February is a different test. I was referring to the Respective proactive test which is totally different and the November is the newest.

[RAK]

You know, Pi, I was thikin' of warning you about reviving this thread:faint:
Would anyone like me to say bit torrent and close it down?:lock1:
Oh well, always some good info comes out of it; RELEASE THE HOUNDS!:eek: