Head of CIA?

[casey]

Knight-Ridder's Jonathan Landay questioned Gen. Michael Hayden at the National Press Club in January:


Landay: "...the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution specifies that you must have probable cause to violate an American's right against unreasonable searches and seizures..."

Gen. Hayden: "No, actually - the Fourth Amendment actually protects all of us against unreasonable search and seizure."

Landay: "But the --"

Gen. Hayden: "That's what it says."

Landay: "The legal measure is probable cause, it says."

Gen. Hayden: "The Amendment says: unreasonable search and seizure."

Landay: "But does it not say 'probable cause'?"

Gen. Hayden [exasperated, scowling]: "No! The Amendment says unreasonable search and seizure."

Landay: "The legal standard is probable cause, General -- "

Gen. Hayden [indignant]: "Just to be very clear ... mmkay... and believe me, if there's any Amendment to the Constitution that employees of the National Security Agency are familiar with, it's the Fourth. Alright? And it is a reasonableness standard in the Fourth Amendment. The constitutional standard is 'reasonable'" ( h/t Dale)
which Keith says (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11021093/):
OLBERMANN: To quote the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States in its entirety, the one the general and the NSA folks are so familiar with and know is about reasonableness and not about probable cause, quote, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Well, maybe they have a different Constitution over there at the NSA.

[Terry Hanushek]

Larry

To quote the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States in its entirety, the one the general and the NSA folks are so familiar with and know is about reasonableness and not about probable cause, quote, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated and no warrants issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

It seems clear to me .... General Hayden was implying that he / they did not have to satisfy the probable cause provision because it only applies to warrants and they did not use warrants. :shocked: (... and no warrants issue, but upon probable cause ...). :mad:

Seems like a glaring lapse in either judgment or understanding to me.

Terry

[RAK]

In other words, in General Hayden's world, the onus is on the individual to prove his innocence. Does he think he is one of Napoleon's generals? This view of the Constitution should disqualify him from any government position. Give ol' Egghead a medal and send him packin'.

[Terry Hanushek]

Ron

Give ol' Egghead a medal and send him packin'.
..or assign him to the traditional post for Air Force officers that don't fit in --- a missle silo in South Dakota. :lever:

:)

Terry

[RAK]

http://www.tultw.com/pics/eggjr0025.jpg
General Hayden's "ready to take the ball"

[RAK]

And let's not forget the Deciderhttp://munkystuff.munkyisland.com/images/looney/beaky1.jpg

[mommalina]

I cut and pasted RAK's cartoon about General Hayden to an email new message. I could do not the same with "The Decider." Why?

Good cartoons, RAK. I wanted to pass on both of them.

Thanks.

Lina

[RAK]

I originally found them on Google, Lina. Oddly, the Egghead link dissapeared and I found this site to find a replacement:

http://tultw.com/main.htm

Unofficial Looney Tunes Sight

Try right-clicking the Beakey Buzzard cartoon and "save image as" -jpeg to your computer.