Forum Rules Discussion

[Seth]

P2P for audio/video is legal in Canada. It may very well be legal in other countries as well.

Furthermore, P2P's contain legal content as well. As such, the P2P rule needs some more thought.

A space between the paragraphs would be nice too.

[mylanta]

Seth,
It isn't here and we are bound by our rules actually. That said it has never really been an issue here, but we do need the appearance of propriety. There is no problem discussing it, just giving information on how to use them, and honestly we do not want to have sitauations with long threads dealing with questionable subjects like that. If nothing eles those sites are havens and even breeding grounds of some of the worst internet malware known to man, and we do not want to encourage use of any of those sites.
Adam can review and change any of these rules, I just wanted to fill a gap missing since we failed to resurrect our archives from the old forum software.

[Seth]

Fair enough:)

[PeteF]

The following rules are guidelines for using the Kicken Hardware Forum. These rules were designed merely to give users guidelines for conduct while participating on this Forum.

Rich, the list of rules is great.
The rules are brief and to the point.
Looks like you've got all the major issues covered.

My only suggestion is to change the wording above to eliminate the
word "guidelines" because it's misleading. A RULE is something that
MUST BE adhered to or you face some kind of consequenses. In
contrast, a GUIDELINE is merely a suggestion that does not need
to be adhered to but is beneficial to the user.

Here's my suggestion for rewording it...

Below is a list of RULES for using KH (Kicken Hardware Forum). RULES are necessary to maintain order and to promote harmony between the members. The following RULES apply to all all members of KH and MUST BE be adhered to.


---pete---

[kelly]

Good deal. One comment, I read the following sentence incorrectly and wonder if others have:

Telling someone you don’t like to reformat their hard drive when they have a problem with Outlook Express is really not acceptable behavior.

Suggest adding a word and parens to clarify: Telling someone (THAT you don't like) to reformat ...

ah... could be me, but I took it wrong the first couple of time I read it.
-td

[photolady]

originally posted by Rich...It isn't here and we are bound by our rules actually

Just a note on this. It isn't just this site but every forum based in the USA has to adhere to these rules. In my other forum, we state that P2P software in itself is not illegal therefore we can discuss the software aspect of these programs, but we will not discuss how to use them or where you can download illegal software, music etc.

[Terry Hanushek]

Pete

My only suggestion is to change the wording above to eliminate the word "guidelines" because it's misleading. A RULE is something that MUST BE adhered to or you face some kind of consequenses. In contrast, a GUIDELINE is merely a suggestion that does not need to be adhered to but is beneficial to the user.
The goal of KH is to provide a friendly and relaxed place to discuss our shared interests in computers. Guidelines are more in keeping with this approach. This is not to say that we will tolerate inappropriate behavior. We are asking for individual restraint rather than imposing a rigid set of standards. Our intent is to get to the same place without the barbed wire and guard towers. :)

Terry

[PeteF]

The goal of KH is to provide a friendly and relaxed place to discuss our shared interests in computers. Guidelines are more in keeping with this approach.

I believe you can have a set of rules and still provide a friendly atmosphere.
It's all how management handles the rule breakers that determines whether
a place is friendly or hostile. If you start off referring your rules as guidlines
it sends a mixed mesage that only invites trouble. :) ---pete---

[mylanta]

I believe you can have a set of rules and still provide a friendly atmosphere.
It's all how management handles the rule breakers that determines whether
a place is friendly or hostile. If you start off referring your rules as guidlines
it sends a mixed mesage that only invites trouble. :) ---pete---

Well yes and no Pete, the "guidelines" are for the owners and moderators in making decisions...the rules are for the users to follow.

[Terry Hanushek]

Pete

Regardless of whether we call them rules or guidelines, our expectations are the members will adhere to our standards. It is our intention as moderators to keep everybody on the right track and make corrections if necessary.

I'm the kind of person who responds better to being asked to do something rather than being told to do it. I suspect that many of our members and prospective members are the same way.

Terry

[mylanta]

Good point Terry. Much like in retail managment we were always told to ask a subordinate to do something, not order them, and I had the habit of continually saying "do me a favor" when I wanted something done.

[Dan18960]

Good point Terry. Much like in retail managment we were always told to ask a subordinate to do something, not order them, and I had the habit of continually saying "do me a favor" when I wanted something done.

I always told my supervisor NO - LOL

But one time I said YES - they were nervous the WHOLE weekend because it was a major presentation I was working on for them to give to the Division VP LOL. I always was a loose cannon. :behindsofa:

I agree that the guidelines is more of a friendlier motivator to adhere to some basic common practices on the forum.

Good presentation Rich. Look at that one line about formatting and Outlook Express though. A little confusing in the presentation.

[Smokey]

Good point Terry. Much like in retail managment we were always told to ask a subordinate to do something, not order them, and I had the habit of continually saying "do me a favor" when I wanted something done.

Thats funny because I did the same when I was managing around 35 employees. Whenever I was on duty and needed something done it was, "Do me a favor". Kinda funny in that that wording seemed to help with my relationship between each employee since I very rarely said, "Do this"

[mylanta]

Good presentation Rich. Look at that one line about formatting and Outlook Express though. A little confusing in the presentation.


Well I looked 3 times...can you highlight what you mean Dan?

[Terry Hanushek]

All

I have created this thread for discussion of our Forum Rules & Regulations and moved all of the discussion originally attached to the Rules themselves. I also locked the rules to divert discussion to this thread.

Rich

Well I looked 3 times...can you highlight what you mean Dan?
I believe that Dan was referring to the last sentence in the following paragraph.

Intentionally Harmful Advice - In the same way, this is a place to help people, not harm them. This offense applies when administration suspects that a user has intentionally posted harmful advice. Telling someone you don’t like to reformat their hard drive when they have a problem with Outlook Express is really not acceptable behavior.

It appears to me that the meaning of the last statement may be reversed. Would it make more sense if read: "Telling someone to reformat their hard drive when they have a problem with Outlook Express is really not acceptable behavior."?

Terry

[mylanta]

All

I have created this thread for discussion of our Forum Rules & Regulations and moved all of the discussion originally attached to the Rules themselves. I also locked the rules to divert discussion to this thread.

Rich


I believe that Dan was referring to the last sentence in the following paragraph.

Intentionally Harmful Advice - In the same way, this is a place to help people, not harm them. This offense applies when administration suspects that a user has intentionally posted harmful advice. Telling someone you don’t like to reformat their hard drive when they have a problem with Outlook Express is really not acceptable behavior.

It appears to me that the meaning of the last statement may be reversed. Would it make more sense if read: "Telling someone to reformat their hard drive when they have a problem with Outlook Express is really not acceptable behavior."?


Terry


Again good thinking Terry, I was about to do that.
As for the remark, I think it makes sense. What I meant was you don't tell someone who has their email configured wrong, to "wipe and load" is all.

[kelly]

Terry - thanks for bringing that up again. I mentioned it a few posts ago.
-td

[Terry Hanushek]

Change made

T

[Dudeking]

I would never use P2P even if it was legal.
I have seen to many systems that people have asked me to have a look at because they have some malware.
And can any one guess what's on every system?????

LIMEWIRE!!!!!!!!!!!