samsung sv1204h

[Guest110]

i am trying to fing HDD diognostic for the above hard disk... all i can find is a file to download and make a floppy.. problem my floppy has died a terrible death.. i need a file to burn to cd.. any ideas....please

[Seth]

BM,

It gets a bit technical, but there are ways of putting those diagnostic files onto a cd.

However, like ram testers, hard drive diagnostics are only accurate 50% of the time. That is, if the diagnostics show a problem, then there's a problem. But if they show no problem, then it doesn't mean it's ok. For example:

Let's say you have a computer that's locking up. A ram tester shows that the ram is ok, but in swapping out the ram you find that the computer works fine.

As far as HD's go, I can't begin to tell you how many times hard drive diagnostics had told me the hd was fine, but attempting to format the drive or run a chkdsk produced errors because the drive wasn't fine.

In the properties of your hard drive, click on the Tools tab. Now run error checking (put a check on both options).

Also, why do you think your hd has problems?

[Guest110]

Thanks Seth... i thought it was spywarerelated but hard drive light flickers very faintly and pc becomes so slow that the only way to use is to boot into safe mode.......i ran hd tune up hdd temp at 170)c.....that must be wrong......It shuts its self off when it feels like it.. fereezes and generally plays up.... definatly worse during hot weather... I have checked the fans and hoovered all the dust i can see.. What else can i do myself.... please

[Guest110]

I have tried to run disk check it does the first 4 tests and then freezes on verifying free space.. it will get to 18% and stop??????
I ran HD tune up http://www.freewebs.com/blackmirror11/HDTune%5FHealth%5FSAMSUNG%20SV1204H.png


the only prob is hdd temp.. i know that must be wrong...now aty 243 o C

[dbarrow]

Worse in hot weather?

Have you pulled your CPU heat sink and fan and checked:
Heat sink clogged up with dust?
Thermal paste crusty or migrated away from die core?

Have you been monitoring your CPU temp?

[kelly]

Is this the temp of the hard drive or the CPU?
-td

[Guest110]

Is this the temp of the hard drive or the CPU?
-tdits the hard drive

[Guest110]

Worse in hot weather?

Have you pulled your CPU heat sink and fan and checked:
Heat sink clogged up with dust?
Thermal paste crusty or migrated away from die core?

Have you been monitoring your CPU temp?

I wouldnt know where to start pulling cpu heat sink out and fan.. i did check for dust and hoover case out
how do i monitor cpu temp please

[Seth]

Over 200 degrees! I'm pretty sure the hard drive would begin to smoke at that temperature. That doesn't seem right.

Download this (http://www.snapfiles.com/get/hddthermometer.html) program for a second opinion. It will create an icon in the bottom right of your screen (system tray). Hold your pointer over it to display the temp.

Also, physically touch the hard drive. Is it too hot to touch?

[Guest110]

hdd thermometer 1.3 beta( build :60)

[Seth]

Yes, and....:)

[Guest110]

Yes, and....:)


Thats all it says Seth.. did you want more lol

[Seth]

Thats all it says Seth.. did you want more lol

Lol..Yes, I want it ALL;)

Did you run the program? Is the blue icon in your system tray?

[Guest110]

i just have a little temp icon nothing else Seth.... sorry

[Seth]

i just have a little temp icon nothing else Seth.... sorry

I don't even know what to say!:confused: :)

Is the icon a number? C'mon Bm, I have faith in ya'. Right click on the icon or something.

[Guest110]

I don't even know what to say!:confused: :)

Is the icon a number? C'mon Bm, I have faith in ya'. Right click on the icon or something.

i have checked help and there should be a blue icon Seth.. but i havent got one.... Why????

if i click on temp icon i get settings screen

have also registered but cant find registration screen.. yes i have and still no blue icon

[Seth]

When you open the link, click download and choose "Run" when you're asked if you want to run or save the file. Once it's run, a blue number will appear in the system tray. That number will be the hard drive temperature. Mine reads 38.

[Guest110]

When you open the link, click download and choose "Run" when you're asked if you want to run or save the file. Once it's run, a blue number will appear in the system tray. That number will be the hard drive temperature. Mine reads 38.

Ahh i saved mine:eek: here goes

[Guest110]

Still no blue icon but looking in the log temp 13 oC.. so is that ok ???.... what about measuring the cpu temp now Seth????

[dbarrow]

Your BIOS should show a temp monitor.
There are many programs that will show CPU temp.

Hard drives are seldom monitored for temperature and are usually one of the last things with a thermal problem.

Temporary or intermittant lockups, especially if it happens on hot days when room temp is up, generally point to CPU overheating with Ram overheating as a secondary issue.

Cleaning out dust bunnies is a start.
To get a good look inside the fins on the heat sink, it requires removing the CPU fan and heatsink as this often gets clogged with a layer of dust that you cant vacuum away.

Once you have had a CPU overheat, it is a good idea to go the whole way and replace the thermal paste as long as you are removing the heat sink.

READ:
http://www.kickenhardware.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2126&highlight=spring+cleaning

[Guest110]

Thanks at least i know its not.. 1 spyware
2. virus
3. hdd problem
so ill find a cpu temp program and see what that says.. i cant fiddle with heatsinks today as i have no paste...

[Guest110]

have downloaded everest and cpu is 60oC.. hdd is 24oC.. is that ok????

[Seth]

have downloaded everest and cpu is 60oC.. hdd is 24oC.. is that ok????

That Hd temperature is fine. I wanted that double checked because I've never once seen a hard drive overheat. That being said, the fact that the error checking locks up is a concern.

That CPU temp may or may not be ok. It depends on the type of processor (Check Everest or the properties of "My Computer"), as well as the cpu usage.

As Doug mentioned, the best way to check the CPU temperature is through the bios. Watch the screen as the computer boots and it should say something like, "Press ?? to enter bios (setup)". The key to press is usually, Del, Esc, F1, or F2. Try each if you have to.

Once in the bios, poke around and you'll find some temperature listings. Post back with the listings as well as the cpu type.

[Guest110]

That Hd temperature is fine. I wanted that double checked because I've never once seen a hard drive overheat. That being said, the fact that the error checking locks up is a concern.

That CPU temp may or may not be ok. It depends on the type of processor (Check Everest or the properties of "My Computer"), as well as the cpu usage.

As Doug mentioned, the best way to check the CPU temperature is through the bios. Watch the screen as the computer boots and it should say something like, "Press ?? to enter bios (setup)". The key to press is usually, Del, Esc, F1, or F2. Try each if you have to.

Once in the bios, poke around and you'll find some temperature listings. Post back with the listings as well as the cpu type.

Thanks;) bios here we come:eek:

[kelly]

If the hard drive is getting hot, don't look to the CPU heat sink. It's unrelated. I have no data on hard drive temperatures, but 200 sounds high. Does it feel hot? If not, the a bad sensor or associated electonics or software.

-td

[Guest110]

boy have i had problems..... i looked in the bios but could not find anything temperature related. i did enable the "smart"

however when i tried to restart i couldnt.. several problems ranging from c0000218 reg file fail error cannot load hive file systemroot/system32/config/system corrupt or absent or not writeable

safe mode was just as bad
c000021a fatal system error

i finally managed to log on as administrator and do a system restore back to this morning.. what was that all about ????

[Seth]

boy have i had problems..... i looked in the bios but could not find anything temperature related. i did enable the "smart"

however when i tried to restart i couldnt.. several problems ranging from c0000218 reg file fail error cannot load hive file systemroot/system32/config/system corrupt or absent or not writeable

safe mode was just as bad
c000021a fatal system error

i finally managed to log on as administrator and do a system restore back to this morning.. what was that all about ????

BM,

Didn't you just do a full system restore to your computer?

Given that the hard drive error checking locked up, as well as the above file corruption, it sure sounds like your hard drive is on it's death bed.

[Dudeking]

BM a tube or thermal paste and a new HDD are what you will need.

60 for CPU is hot IMO, I try to keep mine around 35-45 50 MAX, but like seth said depends what CPU you have.

And defiantly a new HDD, you won't believe the trouble I have had lately loosing data, just back up or create an image of your system then copy over to your new hdd.

And If you look on the Molex connectors etc they say max temp 175 (well mine do) so I think you have a dodgy sensor there or you system would be melting.:D

[Guest110]

BM,

Didn't you just do a full system restore to your computer?

Given that the hard drive error checking locked up, as well as the above file corruption, it sure sounds like your hard drive is on it's death bed.


Yes i think we can say bye bye.. will have a look on amazon and see what i can find..

As windows xp came installed on my pc and only got recovery disks does that mean i have to buy new copy on xp....

just seen Dudekings reply.......Thanks

[dbarrow]

The Config hive of your registry got corrupted by a bad shutdown or lockup. It is the most common reg error as writing to the reg is one of the last acts the machine performs prior to shutting down to save your last settings.

There is a method to repair that... it has been posted before.
Since you did a restore, you are back until the next failure.

If Hd error checking reports a bad drive, time for replacement.

Your original problem still sounds CPU heat related and if your CPU is running 60+ C at idle, it will be over the heat threshold under load.

Time to take it apart, clean, put on new paste, rule out CPU overheat as your cause.

[Guest110]

I have noticed the pc just dies . turns off.... but it never does it in safe mode.. WHY ????

Downloaded sensor view results here anything look suspicious apart from cpu reading 0oC
http://www.freewebs.com/blackmirror11/sensor%20view.JPG

[Guest110]

And should that fan aux be higher than that ???

[dbarrow]

CPU and hd temps would be correct if you had the machine in a freezer!
Temp sensors are either switched around or messed up, or this program you are using is not configured for your CPU or system.

[Seth]

CPU and hd temps would be correct if you had the machine in a freezer!
Temp sensors are either switched around or messed up, or this program you are using is not configured for your CPU or system.

Agreed.

Try the bios temps again BM. Look for a heading called "Hardware Monitor" or something like that.

[Guest110]

Agreed.

Try the bios temps again BM. Look for a heading called "Hardware Monitor" or something like that.

there isnt one Seth. i have been through the bios screens with a fine toothcomb

[Guest110]

Version EVEREST v2.20.405
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer YOUR-KJ84VXK49J
Generator donna
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2006-07-16
Time 18:37


Motherboard

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 09/11/2002-KM266-8233A-6A6LVE1BC-00
Motherboard Name ECS L7VMM

Front Side Bus Properties:
Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 2133 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type DDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 133 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 2133 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties:
Bus Type VIA V-Link
Bus Width 8-bit
Real Clock 67 MHz (QDR)
Effective Clock 267 MHz
Bandwidth 267 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 1 AGP, 1 CNR
RAM Slots 2 DIMM
Integrated Devices Audio, Video, LAN
Form Factor Micro ATX
Motherboard Size 220 mm x 240 mm
Motherboard Chipset KM266

Motherboard Manufacturer:
Company Name Elitegroup Computer Systems
Product Information http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Products/ProductList.aspx?CategoryID=1&MenuID=16&LanID=0
BIOS Download http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/Category_Download.aspx?Categoryid=1

where do i look for motherboard monitor.. clicked on link but cant find it please


also ran disk check no problem this time.. strange and no errors

[casey]

Here is a copy of the Hardware Monitor in your bios.

ECS L7VMM Now there is a lot of versions but I would bet they all have about the same bios..

Hardware Monitor Page
This page sets some of the parameters for the hardware monitoring function
of this mainboard.
AMIBIOS SETUP – HARDWARE MONITOR
(C) 2000 American Megatrends, Inc. All Rights Reserved
*** System Hardware ***
Vcore 1.616 V
Vcc 2.5V 2.496 V
Vcc 3.3V 3.392 V
Vcc 5 V 4.972 V
+12V 11.968V
-12V -12.071V
SB5V 5.026 V

VBAT 3.488 V
SYSTEM Fan Speed 0 RPM ESC : Quit -¯¬® : Select Item
CPU Fan Speed 4560 RPM
F1 : Help PU/PD/+/- : Modify
SYSTEM Temperature 38°C/100°F
F5 : Old Values (Shift)F2 : Color
CPU Temperature 31°C/ 87°F
F6 : Load Optimal values
F7 : Load Best Performance Values

System / CPU Temperature
These items display CPU and system temperature measurement.
FANs & Voltage Measurements
These items indicate cooling fan speeds in RPM and the various system volt-
age measurements.

[casey]

Another version of your bios with different Hardware Monitor:

PC Health Status Option
On mainboards that support hardware monitoring, this item lets you monitor
the parameters for critical voltages, critical temperatures, and fan speeds. You
cannot make any changes to these fields. They are display only:
CMOS Setup Utility – Copyright (C) 1984 – 2001 Award Software
PC Health Status
Shutdown Temperature [70°C/158°F] Item Help
CPU V-core
+ 2.5V Menu Level
+ 3.3V

+ 5V
+ 12V
Voltage Battery
Current System Temp
Current CPU Temp
CPUFAN1
CASFAN1 : Move Enter : Select +/-/PU/PD:Value: F10: Save ESC: Exit F1:General Help
F5:Previous Values F6:Fail-Safe Defaults F7:Optimized Defaults
Shutdown Temperature
Enables you to set the maximum temperature the system can reach before
powering down.
System Component Characteristics
These fields provide you with information about the systems current operating
status. You cannot make changes to these fields.

[Seth]

Thanks for all that Casey:)

Ok BM, you know what to do.

[Guest110]

Thanks for all that Casey:)

Ok BM, you know what to do.

I do???? lol

Where in the bios did all that info come from... i think its Award something or other

[Seth]

I do???? lol

Where in the bios did all that info come from... i think its Award something or other

Casey was showing that your bios will have a heading called "Pc Health Status" or "Hardware Monitor" that will show the temps and voltages.

Have a look again. Some sections of the bios may have two screens. You'll know because it will say something like "Press page up/down for next page".

[Guest110]

Casey was showing that your bios will have a heading called "Pc Health Status" or "Hardware Monitor" that will show the temps and voltages.

Have a look again. Some sections of the bios may have two screens. You'll know because it will say something like "Press page up/down for next page".


Okay but i thought i thoroughly checked seth.. This is the press delete bios ???

Phoenix award bios.. csmos set up screen

[Dudeking]

http://www.hwupgrade.com/bios/index2.html

Far as I can see there is not temp on Award bios.

[Guest110]

http://www.hwupgrade.com/bios/index2.html

Far as I can see there is not temp on Award bios.

maybe thats why i couldnt find it .. thanks for that Little fellow:) ( dino still looks hungry..you sure he is getting enough fibre)

[Dudeking]

maybe thats why i couldnt find it .. thanks for that Little fellow:) ( dino still looks hungry..you sure he is getting enough fibre) The fly's crawling all over him at the moment, can't think why he wont eat it lol:rolleyes:

Edit:- http://www.*************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=662197#post662197

[casey]

Far as I can see there is not temp on Award bios.

I'm sorry but you guys are just not looking in the right place. I have plenty of Award bios machines and I just now went into the bios and it says PC Health Status on the very first page..

The two pages I post before came from the manual for the ECS L7VMM Motherboard. Go to ECS web site and put in your socket and your motherboard and look on the side where it says Bios/Manual/ Drivers and click on
Manual. It shows the Hardware Monitor on Page 36 of one version and on Pagen 40 something on the other version but both have a place to monitor your temps.
I can't remember the last time I saw a bios that didn't have some type of monitor or PC Health page where it gives you temp and voltages. You guys are in the states aren't you?

[casey]

http://www.hwupgrade.com/bios/index2.html

Far as I can see there is not temp on Award bios.

Did you read when the last update was on that article?

last update: December 5, 1998

Bios Guide

last update: December 5, 1998

[casey]

Ece seems to have about 7 or 8 versions of the bios for that motherboard. Here is another one that shows up.

K7vmmp_52 1,217kb ODF Document 1/30/2003


Hardware Monitor Page
This page sets some of the parameters for the hardware monitoring functi
of this mainboard.
AMIBIOS SETUP – HARDWARE MONITOR
(C) 2000 American Megatrends, Inc. All Rights Reserved
*** System Hardware ***
Vcore 1.616 V
Vcc 2.5V 2.496 V
Vcc 3.3V 3.392 V
Vcc 5 V 4.945 V
+12V 12.032V
-12V - 12.000V
ESC : Quit : Select Item
SB5V 5.026 V
VBAT 3.472 V F1 : Help PU/PD/+/- : Modify
SYSTEM Fan Speed 0 RPM
F5 : Old Values (Shift)F2 : Color
CPU Fan Speed 1318 RPM
F6 : Load Optimal values
SYSTEM Temperature 39 C/102 F
CPU Temperature 32 C/ 89 F F7 : Load Best performance values
System / CPU Temperature
These items display CPU and system temperature measurement.

[Guest110]

I'm sorry but you guys are just not looking in the right place. I have plenty of Award bios machines and I just now went into the bios and it says PC Health Status on the very first page..

The two pages I post before came from the manual for the ECS L7VMM Motherboard. Go to ECS web site and put in your socket and your motherboard and look on the side where it says Bios/Manual/ Drivers and click on
Manual. It shows the Hardware Monitor on Page 36 of one version and on Pagen 40 something on the other version but both have a place to monitor your temps.
I can't remember the last time I saw a bios that didn't have some type of monitor or PC Health page where it gives you temp and voltages. You guys are in the states aren't you?


No in UK:) have you a link for that site.. its hiding up from me please

[Dudeking]

Did you read when the last update was on that article?

last update: December 5, 1998

Bios Guide


last update: December 5, 1998


Sorry missed that bit, lol

[casey]

Sorry BM, I thought you were in the states..

I just counted the different versions they have for that Motherboard and it is 6. The newest one doesn't have a Manual download so I couldn't verify if it had the hardware monitor/PChealth listing in it or not. But here is the URL for the web site..

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/Category_Download.aspx?Categoryid=1&MenuID=35&LanID=9



http://snipurl.com/hpv4

These are both the same , I just snipped the one.Just checked and this url takes you right to the select page.

. This will give you a page that has two boxes which say select, In the first put your socket number which will be Socket 462 (if I'm right) then click ok and the second select box will have all the motherboards that use that socket. I counted six versions for your board. Click on the first one and it wil have 'drivers,bios,Manual' click on manual to download,
It is a PDF file so you will need a reader...If you can determine which board you have you should be able to pick just one. Hope this helps..

I just want to say all the newer boards that I have will have a PC health status/hardware monitor page in their bios..

[Dudeking]

I just want to say all the newer boards that I have will have a PC health status/hardware monitor page in their bios..
This is BM's computer were talking about:laugh:

[Guest110]

Sorry BM, I thought you were in the states..

I just counted the different versions they have for that Motherboard and it is 6. The newest one doesn't have a Manual download so I couldn't verify if it had the hardware monitor/PChealth listing in it or not. But here is the URL for the web site..

http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloads/Category_Download.aspx?Categoryid=1&MenuID=35&LanID=9



http://snipurl.com/hpv4

These are both the same , I just snipped the one.Just checked and this url takes you right to the select page.

. This will give you a page that has two boxes which say select, In the first put your socket number which will be Socket 462 (if I'm right) then click ok and the second select box will have all the motherboards that use that socket. I counted six versions for your board. Click on the first one and it wil have 'drivers,bios,Manual' click on manual to download,
It is a PDF file so you will need a reader...If you cna determine which board you have you should be able to pick just one. Hope this helps..

I just want to say all the newer boards that I have will have a PC health status/hardware monitor page in their bios..

Thank you so much.... now investigating:)

[Guest110]

This is BM's computer were talking about:laugh:


Cheeky little monkey.....:eek: :lalala:

[casey]

BM, I just read in another forum that someone with an ECS L7VMM motherboard in an EMACHINE said his bios didn't have the hardware monitor page either. So Just maybe ECS doesn't put it in all their bioses.

Anyway why don't you try this free monitor:

http://www.download.com/SpeedFan/3000-2094_4-10067444.html

[Guest110]

BM, I just read in another forum that someone with an ECS L7VMM motherboard in an EMACHINE said his bios didn't have the hardware monitor page either. So Just maybe ECS doesn't put it in all their bioses.

Anyway why don't you try this free monitor:

http://www.download.com/SpeedFan/3000-2094_4-10067444.html

Thank you:)

[Guest110]

http://www.freewebs.com/blackmirror11/smartfan.JPG

http://www.freewebs.com/blackmirror11/speedfasn2.JPG

Can you make sense of them please

[dbarrow]

CPU and environment temps would be within acceptable range.
I seriously doubt the HD is actually close to 500F or you should have seen smoke by now. Is it actually hot to the touch?

Back to your original problem.... are you still having heat related crashes or symptoms and have you taken things apart to check the CPU thermal paste heat sink and fan?

Stop getting hung up on these temp monitoring programs as sensors are notoriously unreliable. You can get a $10 digital oven thermometer probe that will give you reasonably accurate readings. Anything over 200F would indicate a serious problem you likely would have smelled cooking by now.

[kelly]

Is the problem still that the machine shuts down by itself (unless you booted to Safe Mode). If it shuts down relatively soon after starting, then doesn't that suggest something in the startup? Yes the machine is not working as hard in Safe Mode, but I think it would take about the same amount of time to heat up to the point where it shuts down whether in Normal or Safe Mode. I have no data on this, just gut feel.

So maybe look at programs in the startup tab.

- tony d

[Guest110]

i think i am getting paranoid..... checked the fan and it seems to be working fine.. there is a difference of 2000 nearly between the different fans. is that ok

Its still just turning itself off randomly.. not yet tonight but it is cooler now

[Guest110]

Just thought i would let you good people know that i have an engineer coming out on wednesday... i looked up the documentation on my pc and although i bought in in 2002 i took out a 5 year service plan out..... so they will repair it or replace it.(i had forgot all about it :smash: )
just wanted to say thanks for all the help.. i am on the upstairs one as it has died completely now.. wont boot or stay on more than a few mins..
Thanks:D

[Dudeking]

Well they should get it all fixed up:D lol

BM - Any news on when *** is back online?
How long's it been dead for?

[Guest110]

Well they should get it all fixed up:D lol

BM - Any news on when *** is back online?
How long's it been dead for?


no since friday i think..... how long does it take to do thatsort of thing:fish2:

[Guest110]

as my pc is working fine now.. i ran this hdd utility...sigguardian lite v1.6


its definatly on the way out.according to that. roll on wednesday let the engineer sort it out...