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rVidia
07-27-2006, 12:06 PM
Symantec found networking security bugs that make the current version of Vista less secure than XP Pro: http://www.kickenhardware.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2987

...let's keep in mind that Symantec and Microsoft are actually competing in the security arena for the first time.

And:

...the discovery of these few networking threats isn't the real source of my concern. Much scarier—particularly to those of us who have been working in security for decades—is the fact that Microsoft has apparently rewritten a lot of security code in Vista.

Now, people who have never performed low-level coding, testing, and security evaluations may cheer when they learn that Redmond has tossed out the notoriously buggy Microsoft code to start anew. But those of us with a bit more experience know that new code always spells trouble: More new code means more problems, and a lot of newly written security code is usually a disaster waiting only for the big release date to happen!

Code is simply too complicated to get it right the first time. Consequently, it seems to me that Vista will likely present a vast array of new security threats—after we've finally wrung most of the vulnerabilities out of Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.

So why is it worth risking your business just so Microsoft can make another few billions of dollars? Are Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 really so bad that your organization must buy an expensive and problematic new operating system and office suite?

Sure, his last few statements may be a bit over the top, but... Any thoughts on this?

kern
07-27-2006, 01:24 PM
This and other "bugs" are the reason we suggest one wait to upgrade to the latest version of Windows till after the first Service Pack is released.

photolady
07-28-2006, 09:43 AM
And I would trust Symantec's advice? Not!!!!

Seth
07-28-2006, 01:01 PM
And I would trust Symantec's advice? Not!!!!

:thumb:

Ya, maybe they should work on fixing their software problems before pointing out someone elses.

Tortanick
07-28-2006, 03:13 PM
Why? there allready screwd by the "popular anti-virus syndome" the least they could do is force M$ to fix itself via their reputation.

photolady
07-28-2006, 10:10 PM
there allready screwd by the "popular anti-virus syndome The problem is still there for Symantec products. Customers of mine use it everyday and so does most branded computers. Either Symantec or McAfee is installed, then customer has a problem when the "trial" version expires, trying to get rid of all those integrated files. Plus Symantec (Norton Antivirus) still lets viruses in.
It did on one computer of mine and I promptly deleted all files related to this piece of SH**!!

Karen Ollacks
07-28-2006, 11:27 PM
With proper precaution & common sense, any OS can be made relatively secure. With ignorance and an "I want it to do everything for me, I don't want to have to think" attitude, no OS is very secure. Vista is a lovely piece of software (so far - I'm sure the GOLD will be better).
Give me 20 minutes with a few tools, and I can own your rig - whether *nix, Windows or whatever. Don't judge an OS by it's default security/insecurity.

Tortanick
07-29-2006, 04:50 AM
Actually most *nixes are secure with an I want it to do everything for me, I don't want to have to think attitude.

How to get infected on windows:
download JPG.
Open JPG
oh oh, it was an exe in disguise, you're toast.

How to get infected on a *nix.
download JPG
assign exicutible permissions to JPG (don't need common sense to avoid that)
switch to root. (don't need common sense to avoid that)
exictue JPG.

Dan18960
07-29-2006, 05:51 AM
With proper precaution & common sense, any OS can be made relatively secure. With ignorance and an "I want it to do everything for me, I don't want to have to think" attitude, no OS is very secure. Vista is a lovely piece of software (so far - I'm sure the GOLD will be better).
Give me 20 minutes with a few tools, and I can own your rig - whether *nix, Windows or whatever. Don't judge an OS by it's default security/insecurity.

How are you at Novell Netware? ? ? ? :lalala:

Oh yea, there is NO WAY to execute an exe ON Novell - you have to do it from a WORKSTATION!

dbarrow
07-29-2006, 11:32 AM
Uh... Vista will be competing in the security market.
Symantec, and everyone else making a living off that market, has reason to pick apart Vista and say, "See! It still has holes. Buy our product to plug them!"

I would imagine they are all very busy "finding holes" and the deeper they look, the more they will find. They have as much financial incentive as the hackers so competition will be intense.

kern
08-25-2006, 12:31 AM
With proper precaution & common sense, any OS can be made relatively secure. With ignorance and an "I want it to do everything for me, I don't want to have to think" attitude, no OS is very secure. Vista is a lovely piece of software (so far - I'm sure the GOLD will be better).
Give me 20 minutes with a few tools, and I can own your rig - whether *nix, Windows or whatever. Don't judge an OS by it's default security/insecurity.

Karen,
IMHO "proper precaution & common sense" must be "built-in" to the OS cause there will always be some who dont know or dont give a dam.