Crap Cleaner Strikes Again

[mylanta]

I see at least one "hosed" system a day using Crap Cleaner:
http://forums.techguy.org/windows-nt-2000-xp/511872-lots-probs.html

[Guest110]

I dont know what they do???
I bet they dont back up before they fix issues

[mylanta]

"fix" issues? It should not be necessary to backup before using a hard drive cleaner BM. That should be as safe as milk!

[kelly]

I go back to what I said some time ago. I used CCleaner once. It failed me - hosed the system - and I never tried it again.

-td

[Guest110]

"fix" issues? It should not be necessary to backup before using a hard drive cleaner BM. That should be as safe as milk!

I was under the impression that it was a reg cleaner Mylanta:confused:
the fix issues



http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/blackmirror111/untitled-5.jpg

[mylanta]

BM it is not primarily a reg cleaner and is not billed that way. As such I never noticed it has those reg clean settings so that I blmae myself for. It is a hard drive cleaner....

[Guest110]

BM it is not primarily a reg cleaner and is not billed that way. As such I never noticed it has those reg clean settings so that I blmae myself for. It is a hard drive cleaner....


Well thats probably where people are going wrong:D

[mommalina]

Where is the reg cleaner setting in Ccleaner? Is it
Cleaner Settings > Applications > Windows > RegEdit?
If so, should RegEdit be unchecked?


Lina

[jcampi]

I only used Crap Cleaner one time. After that I removed it. It's too risky in my opinion. I'd rather use other cleaning methods that don't risk deleting important files and screwing up my PC.

[fleamailman]

trouble is I see quite a few malware removal forums still using it in their steps before posting a hjt log, it just so tempting to think that pruning the reg is cleaning the comp.

[Guest110]

Where is the reg cleaner setting in Ccleaner? Is it
Cleaner Settings > Applications > Windows > RegEdit?
If so, should RegEdit be unchecked?


Lina


on the first screen Lina you have cleaner
second tab down blue ISSUES tab.. this i expect is the reg cleaner ????? correct me if i am wrong guys

I have used cccleaner for ages with no problems....
The only problem when i first started using was using the fix issues and not backing up the files and it did go pearshaped

[rVidia]

I see at least one "hosed" system a day using Crap Cleaner
Rich, what is your opinion on other drive cleaners, such as CleanUp! (http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/) and ATF Cleaner (http://www.atribune.org/content/view/19/2/)?

[mylanta]

Ray,
Atf seems to just do temp files and internet cache, easier to do clean.exe in command box without adding program. Cleanup I never heard of before but just downloaded and ran it, I love it. It does the things that are safe, offers trial run with only advice of what to remove...I think this one is fine.

[mylanta]

OK on closer look thanks but no thanks...to take out 3.5 meg Cleanup took out my Excite home page on all but sea Monkey(which it obviously doesn't know about because it didn't cut the cache either), took out my saved addresses for directions in mapquest, and all my logons to all forums so in reality it did nothing of any value. But the good news is it also hosed nothing.So now I can waste 20 minutes putting all that back in.

[fleamailman]

yes that is the problem with using cleaners, they remove the stuff because it is there, the history and the cookies are sometimes helping me, but if I know something is wrong then I would rather have everything gone and start afresh so I think of it like a sping clean to do once in a while

[mylanta]

I so much disagree flea...a crap cleaner isn't ever to fix something wrong, it is to optimize. Optimizing hardly includes removing all the good things that save time. And the funny thing is I looked at all it would remove, and noe of what I mentioned was listed, though removed anyway. To take out 3.5 meg which is nothing? And it made all kinds of work for me.

[Guest117]

I don't use CCleaner but CleanUp and have no problems what so ever.
I also have a batch file to run at finish and restart computer that removes all index.dat files before rebooting. Never lost anything. Lucky? Maybe.:)

[mommalina]

Lina asked:
Where is the reg cleaner setting in Ccleaner?

Is it Cleaner Settings > Applications > Windows > RegEdit?

If so, should RegEdit be unchecked?

BM replied: on the first screen Lina you have cleaner
second tab down blue ISSUES tab.. this i expect is the reg cleaner ????? correct me if i am wrong guys

On the second tab (Applications) it lists Windows >RegEdit. Is
this what you are referring to?

Should RegEdit be unchecked to avoid registry problems?

Lina

[Guest110]

On the second tab (Applications) it lists Windows >RegEdit. Is
this what you are referring to?

Should RegEdit be unchecked to avoid registry problems?

Lina

Lina far left hand side
cleaner
issues.. this is the reg cleaner
tools
options
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l183/blackmirror111/cccleaner.jpg

[mommalina]

Thanks, BM. Sometimes I move a window to the left so I can
keep track of what's in my taskbar on the right. That's why
I did not see Cleaner, Issues, Tools, and Options. Except for
unchecking Cookies, I've been using the default setting.

BTW, there's an updated version of CCleaner, V1.34.407. I
haven't used it yet. Had no problem whatsoever with the
earlier one.

Allow me to revise my question: What do you gurus suggest
unchecking in CCleaner to prevent it messing with the registry?

(I know, I know, Rich - don't use it. :) )

Lina

[rVidia]

What do you gurus suggest
unchecking in CCleaner to prevent it messing with the registry?
Lina:

My suggestion to you is to simply not open the Issues pane. This is the only way to prevent yourself from messing with the registry; however, if you would like to take an extra step to ensure you don't mess with anything, do the following:

1) Go to Start > Run > %ProgramFiles%\CCleaner
2) Right-click the file:
winreg.ini
3) Select "Delete"
4) Empty the Recycle Bin

Now there will be no selections in the Issues pane.

[mylanta]

Thanks, BM. Sometimes I move a window to the left so I can
keep track of what's in my taskbar on the right. That's why
I did not see Cleaner, Issues, Tools, and Options. Except for
unchecking Cookies, I've been using the default setting.

BTW, there's an updated version of CCleaner, V1.34.407. I
haven't used it yet. Had no problem whatsoever with the
earlier one.

Allow me to revise my question: What do you gurus suggest
unchecking in CCleaner to prevent it messing with the registry?

(I know, I know, Rich - don't use it. :) )

Lina

I suggest you uninstall it and instead go "Run," type in " clean.mgr.exe"
then hit enter.

[mommalina]

I suggest you uninstall it and instead go "Run," type in " clean.mgr.exe"
then hit enter.

Typed in clean.mgr.exe , but it did not
recognize it, with or without the quotes.

BTW, how much/what will "clean.mgr.exe" clean up?

Sounds good. I know when I go to Run, type in %temp%, I
get rid of a lot of stuff Ccleaner and Disk Cleanup don't
touch.

Waiting for your appraisal of ATF Cleaner.......although
Ccleaner looked safe but later screwed some of your
computers. Don't know until someone like you uses
such software on multiple machines. :hail:

Thanks.

Lina

[rVidia]

Typed in clean.mgr.exe , but it did not
recognize it, with or without the quotes.
Lina, try cleanmgr.exe without the period. What is opening is Disk Cleanup, which is located in Accessories > System Tools in the Start menu.

BTW, how much/what will "clean.mgr.exe" clean up?
If you run cleanmgr.exe, you will see what the options are.

Waiting for your appraisal of ATF Cleaner
Here was Rich's response to ATF Cleaner earlier..."Atf seems to just do temp files and internet cache, easier to do clean.exe in command box without adding program." From this, Rich was saying that it would be better to simply use Windows' Disk Cleanup utility rather than installing an additional program.

Ccleaner looked safe but later screwed some of your
computers.
From my experience, main problems come from using the registry cleaner. See my previous post for information on how to "disable" that (you cannot actually disable the registry cleaner, although you can remove all selections from the Issues pane, making it impossible for CCleaner to "find" any problems in the registry in the first place.) Also, IMO, as long as you don't run CCleaner too often it is safe and you should be okay to use it.

Ray

[mylanta]

Typed in clean.mgr.exe , but it did not
recognize it, with or without the quotes.

BTW, how much/what will "clean.mgr.exe" clean up?

Sounds good. I know when I go to Run, type in %temp%, I
get rid of a lot of stuff Ccleaner and Disk Cleanup don't
touch.

Waiting for your appraisal of ATF Cleaner.......although
Ccleaner looked safe but later screwed some of your
computers. Don't know until someone like you uses
such software on multiple machines. :hail:

Thanks.

Lina

ATF no different than cleanmgr.exe so why load the software.
Ray is correct I screwed up with the ".". It's cleanmgr.exe and no quotation marks.

[mommalina]

Lina, try cleanmgr.exe without the period. What is opening is Disk Cleanup, which is located in Accessories > System Tools in the Start menu.

Ray, I use Disk Cleanup once a week. If I use it after
CCleaner, there's nothing there to clean.

I just used Disk Cleanup first, then analyzed CCleaner:

ANALYSIS COMPLETE - (4.858 secs)
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0.52MB to be removed. (Approximate size)
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Details of files to be deleted (Note: No files have been deleted yet)
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IE Temporary Internet Files (522 files) 0.46MB
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\desktop.ini 113 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\MSHist012006102620061 027\index.dat 32.00KB
Marked for deletion: C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\index.dat
Marked for deletion: C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Cookies\index.dat
Marked for deletion: C:\Documents and Settings\Lina **\Local Settings\History\History.IE5\index.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\FrameWork.log 1.27KB
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\wbemess.log 22.73KB
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\wbemprox.log 510 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\wmiprov.log 335 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\0.log 0 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\setupact.log 60 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\setuperr.log 0 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\Sti_Trace.log 0 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\wiadebug.log 216 bytes
C:\WINDOWS\wiaservc.log 50 bytes
Firefox/Mozilla cache cleaning was skipped.
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\profiles\default.lkg\download s.rdf 206 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\AWLQYCYK\seeds.adgardener.co m\zSeed.sol 48 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\AWLQYCYK\www.msdewey.com\swf \shell.swf\allIntros.sol 109 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\AWLQYCYK\www.msdewey.com\swf \shell.swf\intros.sol 49 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\AWLQYCYK\www.msdewey.com\swf \shell.swf\vhistory.sol 43 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\AWLQYCYK\www.youtube.com\sou ndData.sol 58 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\#see ds.adgardener.com\settings.sol 90 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\#www .msdewey.com\settings.sol 85 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\#www .youtube.com\settings.sol 85 bytes
C:\Documents and Settings\Lina ***\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\macromedia.com\support\flashplayer\sys\sett ings.sol 424 bytes
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]

So, can I assume that Disk Cleanup (and %temp%) are not
enough to clean system?

Thanks.

Lina

[rVidia]

So, can I assume that Disk Cleanup (and %temp%) are not
enough to clean system?
Yes Lina. I would continue to use CCleaner.

[mylanta]

Ray, I use Disk Cleanup once a week. If I use it after
CCleaner, there's nothing there to clean.

I just used Disk Cleanup first, then analyzed CCleaner:

]

So, can I assume that Disk Cleanup (and %temp%) are not
enough to clean system?

Thanks.

Lina

Lina,
If you want to clean something, pick a closet....that program will sooner or later hose your system. With today's big hard drives, and I'll bet you have a 40 gb drive you are using 5 gb of, there is no reason to clean hard drives.
When we had 2.5 gb hard drives such things made sense. Want to defrag, fine. But beyond that, you are heading for disaster as you haven't reformatted in several years and sooner or later you will hose it for sure. you do realize you have experienced users who have hosed their systems with it?

[mommalina]

Rich and Ray, I've made a decision. Will keep CCleaner
on my computer and only use it as a last resort if a
reformat is imminent.

Rich has a point. I have a lot of free space. My Computer
lists 47.4 GB free out of 55.8 GB. Why take the risk?

Thank you both very much!

Lina

[rVidia]

Rich, what is your opinion on other drive cleaners, such as CleanUp! (http://www.stevengould.org/software/cleanup/) and ATF Cleaner (http://www.atribune.org/content/view/19/2/)?
Going back to my previous post, I thought I would share what I'm using to clear temp files: Pocket KillBox (http://killbox.net/)! If you go to Tools > Delete Temp Files, you can clear out lots of junk, including temporary internet files, temp files, cookies, Dr Watson dumps, the prefetch folder, recent items, history, and Sun Java cache, for multiple users.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4199/ktfel0.jpg

[Guest117]

Free Internet Window Washer and Index.dat Analyzer does a good job.........
For Me! :)