View Full Version : windows me comparison to 98se???
Dee369
11-08-2006, 03:10 AM
i have a compaq 2000 desk pro 300mhz with 128 ram...am having problems with windows me and was wondering about the stabillity diffference. will be switching to 98se and use the puter mostly for games,viewing live webcams,using my cam and im-ing on yahoo. will there be a significant difference in the stability. would like any and all opinions...also have been using different website to fix windows problems but just wanted to ask this question here. what would be the difference where these issues are concerned???(seth)??? ;)
Tortanick
11-08-2006, 06:12 AM
Windows ME is infamous for instability so you'll probobly get an improvemnet. Windows 2000 is also worth considering though.
Some of the others will probobly have more details. I was allready on XP when I started getting good with computers.
kelly
11-08-2006, 08:22 AM
Personally, I've seen no difference in the stability between W98 and ME. However, I don't do games or webcams. If you're going to use USB devices on the W98SE machine, you'll have to search for more drivers.
- Tony
Dee369
11-08-2006, 08:50 AM
drivers are not a problem...thank you for responces.any more will be helpful
i have a compaq 2000 desk pro 300mhz with 128 ram...am having problems with windows me and was wondering about the stabillity diffference. will be switching to 98se and use the puter mostly for games,viewing live webcams,using my cam and im-ing on yahoo. will there be a significant difference in the stability. would like any and all opinions...also have been using different website to fix windows problems but just wanted to ask this question here. what would be the difference where these issues are concerned???(seth)??? ;)
The computer's specifications/operating system, will make no difference on your IM'ing, as IM'ing doesn't require any "power".
The performance of basic internet gaming is much more dependent on your internet speed as opposed to your system specs. Regardless, you can't change your processor speed, and a ram upgrade for your particular computer would not only be impractical, but you wouldn't see any significant performance increase.
On a bigger picture, 98 can handle system resources much better than Millennium. In theory, this means that 98 is more stable than Me and requires less reboots to operate efficiently. In practice however, system stability and resource management, is far more dependent on the users computer knowledge. More specifically, it's more dependent on the users downloading and maintenance habits.
In addition, Me is said to be less compatible with hardware. This may have been true at the time of release, however I've yet to see hardware in which the manufacturer had a driver for 98, but not Me.
If the average user is having software problems, then changing the operating system is only a temporary solution as the same problems will return regardless of the OS. This is because virtually all software problems aren't created by the operating system. Rather, they're caused by a lack of computer knowledge/maintenance on the part of the user.
With all that being said, a computer technician will find little difference in performance between 98 and Me. For the average user however, 98 is a better bet as it will handle the system resources more effectively than Millennium.
mylanta
11-08-2006, 09:02 AM
I am so glad others understand this issue...personally I see no difference between Me and 98 and would dispose of any pc that can only do either, which clearly this pc cannot do anyway. I mean if you want to keep it, why not up the ram and then put a real OS on it.
Dee369
11-08-2006, 09:37 AM
well stated seth...in my spare time,which i have quite a bit of,i enjoy optimizing my computer and learning more and more about it and how it functions...i was thinking about upping the memmory but didnt think it would help the matter much...any more opinions???
i have a compaq 2000 desk pro 300mhz with 128 ram...am having problems with windows me and was wondering about the stabillity diffference. will be switching to 98se and use the puter mostly for games,viewing live webcams,using my cam and im-ing on yahoo. will there be a significant difference in the stability. would like any and all opinions...also have been using different website to fix windows problems but just wanted to ask this question here. what would be the difference where these issues are concerned???
based on your usage, 98SE or ME makes little difference, but you would see a noticable increase in performance by adding at least another 128mb of ram. as i recall that pc maxes out at 384mb.
Dee369
11-08-2006, 12:17 PM
based on your usage, 98SE or ME makes little difference, but you would see a noticable increase in performance by adding at least another 128mb of ram. as i recall that pc maxes out at 384mb.
what would the added ram do to optimize my computers performance? i know that i can add another 128 but what would it help with???
Guest110
11-08-2006, 12:34 PM
I had a pc with 98 and i loved it... if anything went seriously wrong just pop the 98 disk in and reinstall over the top...
You would see a noticable increase in performance by adding at least another 128mb of ram. as i recall that pc maxes out at 384mb.
I respectfully disagree.
Both Pete and I have conducted tests which show that the average user will not benefit from more than 128 MB of ram on a 9x system. In fact, we both found that most users won't even benefit beyond 64 Mb of ram.
Diane,
You've been having a number of problems with that computer. It's getting old, and probably isn't going to last much longer. Don't bother with a ram upgrade for it.
Dee369
11-08-2006, 12:52 PM
okady dokady...
I respectfully disagree.
Both Pete and I have conducted tests which show that the average user will not benefit from more than 128 MB of ram on a 9x system. In fact, we both found that most users won't even benefit beyond 64 Mb of ram.
Diane,
You've been having a number of problems with that computer. It's getting old, and probably isn't going to last much longer. Don't bother with a ram upgrade for it.
based on her usage, ME would be her best choice given ME is geared for multimedia. that said, and the fact that she is using system restore, as I recall approx 96mb would be used for the OS, which leaves 30mb for programs. add gaming, wmp and broadband and the pc slows to a crawl with 128mb.
But since you mention she is having additional problem with the pc, and given its age, heres where we agree- its time for a new pc.
based on her usage, ME would be her best choice given ME is geared for multimedia. that said, and the fact that she is using system restore, as I recall approx 96mb would be used for the OS, which leaves 30mb for programs. add gaming, wmp and broadband and the pc slows to a crawl with 128mb.
But since you mention she is having additional problem with the pc, and given its age, heres where we agree- its time for a new pc.
Rob,
I've never heard of System Restore using that much memory, nor have I experienced such.
Good point on ME over 98 for multimedia. Diane just purchased this computer fairly recently and has been encountering a number of problems. Most seem to be software related. She doesn't have any OS cd's, so yesterday I mailed her 98SE, Me, and Memtest. I've recommended that she run an Me over the top install as opposed to a clean 98 install. The main reason for this (other than the multimedia), is that Diane's only tech support is online, so if there is a problem with the 98 install, or a dial up driver problem, then she won't have any access to the internet and tech support.
Do you agree with that reasoning?
mylanta
11-08-2006, 01:19 PM
what would the added ram do to optimize my computers performance? i know that i can add another 128 but what would it help with???
More so than any other component, memory speeds up your computer. Windows XP requires a minimum 128 meg but most users recommend a minimum 256 meg for the OS alone.
Good point on ME over 98 for multimedia. Diane just purchased this computer fairly recently and has been encountering a number of problems. Most seem to be software related. She doesn't have any OS cd's, so yesterday I mailed her 98SE, Me, and Memtest. I've recommended that she run an Me over the top install as opposed to a clean 98 install. The main reason for this (other than the multimedia), is that Diane's only tech support is online, so if there is a problem with the 98 install, or a dial up driver problem, then she won't have any access to the internet and tech support.
Do you agree with that reasoning?
yes. but I'd still have a floppy with modem (and other) drivers handy as they may be needed.
yes. but I'd still have a floppy with modem (and other) drivers handy as they may be needed.
Exactly. In discussing the issue with another user, I did mention that the dial up driver should be downloaded and saved to a floppy or cd before such work takes place.
Thanks.
Freehold Fred
11-13-2006, 08:58 PM
For improved stability, I highly recommend 98lite to install 98SE or ME. Go here: http://www.litepc.com/
There is a free version and a pro version.
Alternately, throw another 128 at it and give XP a shot.
Dee369
11-16-2006, 08:15 PM
[Quote]Alternately, throw another 128 at it and give XP a shot.[Quote]
the computer is much too old to pay $100 for XP and add more memory to it...would be better off saving for a new computer with XP installed on it...however i do not forsee that happpening any time soon so i would have to agree that an over the top install would probably be my best choice...
didnt mean for this to be a debate...just wanted to know the advantages and diadvantages in the comparison of both OS...i have received the disks and am ready to do the install...i need to download all programs off of my computer before i attempt this task..
.seth please contact me when you have time to help with the install...
thank you all for your input...
Diane,
Before we proceed with the OTT install, use Belarc Advisor to obtain your product key. Write it down and keep it safe.
Did the tech install a network card when you got high speed, or did you already have one? Does the computer have a burner and/or a floppy drive?
BTW-Look close at the front of the cd drive. If it say's CDRW or "ReWritable", then it's a burner.
Continued from above...
Right click on a blank part of the desktop and create a new folder. Copy and paste the contents of the My Documents folder (as well as any important info from other folders) into the new folder.
The OTT install shouldn't have any affect on the My Documents folder, nor have I ever seen or heard of it do so. However, it's a good precaution to take.
Dee369
11-17-2006, 07:46 AM
i already had an ethernet card...i have a cd burner but have not installed it yet...looked up how to install and it seems pretty easy to me...
however...first have to buy a screw driver..:help: ;)
mylanta
11-17-2006, 10:01 AM
i already had an ethernet card...i have a cd burner but have not installed it yet...looked up how to install and it seems pretty easy to me...
however...first have to buy a screw driver..:help: ;)
Outstanding thought, no one should be without one and I suggest 2 as phillips is also useful.
Dee369
11-17-2006, 12:27 PM
then two screw drivers followed by a shot of whiskey it shall be....:D
but not till after i get it installed:high5:
mylanta
11-17-2006, 01:01 PM
Ok that is good common sense.
Dee369
11-18-2006, 05:30 AM
i just made a copy of my balarc report...there seems to be a couple of things in it that need to be fixed...if i post it here can someone tell me how to fix these things???
i'm not sure if i should post the whole thing because there might be some information on it that i shouldnt make public...
what do i do??? i havnt gotten those screw drivers yet because i live in a town that has population of 200 people and has no stores...i would have to take a shuttle into the nearest city which is an hour away from here...i live out in the middle of the woods...and am disabled...so can not install burner until the earliest monday...
also which product key am i supposed to make a copy of ??? i see a key for windows ME listed under microsoft works...is that the one that i need to make a copy of???
please...help is needed...:help: :frown:
Guest110
11-18-2006, 08:26 AM
In the report copy and paste all the product keys into a word pad document and put it in your new folder
calll it IMPORTANT FOLDER or something
Dee369
11-18-2006, 08:30 AM
In the report copy and paste all the product keys into a word pad document and put it in your new folder
calll it IMPORTANT FOLDER or something
how do i paste into a "word pad document"...never worked with word pad document before???
what i did was paste the whole report into the new folder...lol...
Dee369
11-18-2006, 08:35 AM
ok..i found some drivers and pasted them in folder...is that right???
now where do i find all my exe. files???
mylanta
11-18-2006, 08:36 AM
Basic Windows...."left click and highlight,right click copy, right click paste"
Dee369
11-18-2006, 08:43 AM
Basic Windows...."left click and highlight,right click copy, right click paste"
ok...so just go into windows and click on every exe.file in there???
i just copied my keys ...can i just paste them into my new folder or do i have to do it another way??? can we start with this first???
Guest110
11-18-2006, 08:59 AM
Open a new wordpad file and copy keys them in there Diane.. and then save and put it in your folder. makesure you know what each one is for
Dee369
11-18-2006, 09:31 AM
Open a new wordpad file and copy keys them in there Diane.. and then save and put it in your folder. makesure you know what each one is for
ok...............
i found in belarc that there were:
microsoft: internet explorer...
" ":media player...
" "media player...
" "PC health....
" "windows ME...
" "works...
" "works 8.0...
those were the things that i saw with keys to them...so i copied them all together and pasted them all together in note pad labled balarc keys...
was that the right thing to do????
Guest110
11-18-2006, 09:32 AM
ok...............
i found in belarc that there were:
microsoft: internet explorer...
" ":media player...
" "media player...
" "PC health....
" "windows ME...
" "works...
" "works 8.0...
those were the things that i saw with keys to them...so i copied them all together and pasted them all together in note pad labled balarc keys...
was that the right thing to do????
yes now you have a record
Dee369
11-18-2006, 09:38 AM
thank god....at least thats progress...thank you bm...:)
Dee369
11-18-2006, 11:02 AM
now if anyone out there knows which files i have to put in folder fom windows can you please tell me...are they just the EXE. files???i tried to put the whole windows folder in but it didnt work...do i have to put them one by one and which ones???please :help: thanks to who can answer...:)
You're getting way ahead of yourself with needless tasks.
The only product key you need to write down (not pasted into a folder), is the product key for Windows Me. It will be needed for the OTT install.
The OTT install doesn't have any affect on your program files or personal information. However, there is a very slight chance that the Documents folder may be be deleted. So, like I said before, right click on the desktop and create a new folder. Copy and paste any of your personal files (like Works documents, pictures, etc) into that folder.
When that is completed, post back and we can continue.
Dee369
11-18-2006, 01:00 PM
seth,
i wrote down the key code for windows ME...i do not need any of the other key codes from belarc????
do i need to put my drivers in a folder...because that is what i did...i put my monitor drivers in a folder labeled drivers...i assumed that i would not want to lose my monitor drivers because they are not the same drivers that go with my video card...they are specifically for the samsung monitor...
where do we go from here????
p.s. i am glad you are back because i got very lost and confused...
diane
seth,
i wrote down the key code for windows ME...i do not need any of the other key codes from belarc????
do i need to put my drivers in a folder...because that is what i did...i put my monitor drivers in a folder labeled drivers...i assumed that i would not want to lose my monitor drivers because they are not the same drivers that go with my video card...they are specifically for the samsung monitor...
where do we go from here????
p.s. i am glad you are back because i got very lost and confused...
diane
All monitor drivers are built into the operating system. All I need you to do is save a copy of the network card on the desktop. The belarc report will name your network card. Post back with the name of it, then I'll get you to download it's driver to a new folder on your desktop. After that, I'll give you instructions for the install. BTW-Do you have a printer?
Dee369
11-18-2006, 01:41 PM
All monitor drivers are built into the operating system. All I need you to do is save a copy of the network card on the desktop. The belarc report will name your network card. Post back with the name of it, then I'll get you to download it's driver to a new folder on your desktop. After that, I'll give you instructions for the install. BTW-Do you have a printer?
do you mean by network card my ethernet highspeeed nic??? i am not good with computer language although i have learned a great deal...can i do this without having installed my burner??? and no i do not have a printer...finally will you be able to give me a step by step to do all of this please...???and we do not do memory test yet???
sorry so many questions at once..i do not need them all answered right now but have to let you know what is on my mind...thanks seth..
Dee369
11-18-2006, 01:49 PM
and seth...the video card in here does not work properly for my monitor...that is why i had to download the samsung drivers...
Dee369
11-18-2006, 01:58 PM
listed under communications it says:::
compaq NC3121 Fast Ethernet Nic...
I'll send you the nic driver via "Dropload". In about an hour, you'll get an e-mail from me which will prompt you to download the driver. Remember, download it to the desktop. Once the driver is saved, come back here and I'll give you the instructions for the OTT install.
I sent you all the info in an e-mail Diane...it was a quick hour.
Here (http://www.windowsreinstall.com/windowsme/installme/page1.htm) are the instructions for the install. Have a look through it and post back if you have any questions. But don't start the install just yet, I still have a couple of things to instruct you on before you begin.
Also do you know what the bios (setup) is, and/or do you know if it's set to boot from the cdrom first?
mylanta
11-18-2006, 04:52 PM
Yes nic card is another name for it.
Dee369
11-18-2006, 05:53 PM
I sent you all the info in an e-mail Diane...it was a quick hour.
Here (http://www.windowsreinstall.com/windowsme/installme/page1.htm) are the instructions for the install. Have a look through it and post back if you have any questions. But don't start the install just yet, I still have a couple of things to instruct you on before you begin.
Also do you know what the bios (setup) is, and/or do you know if it's set to boot from the cdrom first?
to be honest with you seth....i have no clue to what youare talking about...i know very little about computers and its confusing me...
got the product card but dont have any idea what it all means....
to be honest with you seth....i have no clue to what youare talking about...i know very little about computers and its confusing me...
got the product card but dont have any idea what it all means....
have you made any progress on your reinstall?
Dee369
11-26-2006, 12:10 PM
thank you kern for asking about my progress...i am sorry to say that the OTT did not go very well.after having to do numerous things that did not work i have finally gotten the OTT done...
the OTT did not go as expected...i had numerous errors while doing the install...there seemed to be only 3 problems that i had to overcome...i had to uninstall my anti virus while attempting the OTT...when i was able to come online i had a problem installing it for reasons that will remain behind closed doors...so i installed a different anti-virus program which seems to be working just fine...
also during the setup i got an error stating:::
a device attatched to the system is not functioning:::
system\jdbgmgr.exe...yet the system seems to be running better and without errors...everything is working properly...
i do ,however have a major problem in the works...when i restart my computer i get a black screen which has an errror on it...maybe you can help me with this...i will state the error exactly as it appears...it says:::
device file in System.INI is damaged..it may be needed to run windows...you may need to run windows set up again..if this is part of a software package then you may need to reinstall the software...
it then lists the error...C:\windows\system\JAVASUP.VXD
bm looked this file up for me and found a site where i can download the JAVASUP.VXD OR repair it...my question being .....do i repair the file or do i download the whole package?????
any help that you can give me with this would be wonderful...thank you in advance...:)
A repair install can corrupt certain third party applications.
Go to add/remove programs and remove the entries that say "Java...". Restart the computer and then go here (http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp) to install the latest version of Java.
Dee369
11-26-2006, 01:12 PM
A repair install can corrupt certain third party applications.
Go to add/remove programs and remove the entries that say "Java...". Restart the computer and then go here (http://www.java.com/en/download/index.jsp) to install the latest version of Java.
thank you for the reply seth...
i had installed the latest version of java and i lost my sound...so i uninstalled it and got my sound back...
however i did not uninstall the java 5 with update first..could this be where my problem is???
is the latest version compatible with my os??? i did not see anything listed there besides that it runs with internet explorer...
again thank you for the most speedy reply...:)
That's the first time I ever heard Java causing a sound problem.
Java is compatable with your OS. Go ahead and try the suggestion from the previous post and see what happens.
Dee369
11-26-2006, 01:20 PM
That's the first time I ever heard Java causing a sound problem.
Java is compatable with your OS. Go ahead and try the suggestion from the previous post and see what happens.
thank you seth..will do that right now and will post my results when done..
again...thank you very much for such a speedy reply...:)
Dee369
11-26-2006, 01:54 PM
seth,
i uninstalled the java 5 update 2 and installed the java 5 update 9 and now i have no sound again...i had sound when i was running the java 5 update 2...
i still am getting that error when i restart computer...can we attact one of these 2 problems???
here (http://win-files.net/files/javasup.vxd.php) is the link that bm found for me for the download of the JAVASUP.VXD...
That's really unusual. I just did a Google search and can't even find any instances where someone has installed Java and lost their sound.
Well, remove the new version of Java and go here (https://sdlc2e.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=AF3F6884095CD78AFC506 32ABEDA22A8)to get Java 5/2. The reinstall of 5/2 may correct the error as well.
Dee369
11-26-2006, 02:51 PM
since i did the OTT i still had the ms version of java on my computer...so i had to uninstall the old ms version and install and older version of sun java...
when i did this the error went away and my sound came back...
thank you seth for your efforts and i apreciate your help...
will be sure to let everyone know how the OTT is going...thank you again seth for the good idea to do the OTT and for all of your time and help...:) :D
You're welcome.
since i did the OTT i still had the ms version of java on my computer...so i had to uninstall the old ms version and install and older version of sun java......:) :D
That's likely the cause of the error then. A registry entry that's trying to find MS Java.
Dee369
11-26-2006, 02:57 PM
That's really unusual. I just did a Google search and can't even find any instances where someone has installed Java and lost their sound.
Well, remove the new version of Java and go here (https://sdlc2e.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=AF3F6884095CD78AFC506 32ABEDA22A8)to get Java 5/2. The reinstall of 5/2 may correct the error as well.
seth...i tried to do the uninstall of the new version of java and then i tried to install the old one back...my error was still there...but as i stated in previous post it was the old ms version of java that was the problem...
am proud of myself for figuring this one out...had had the same problem with java previously and that was why i was running the older version of java...but when i had that sound problem i did not have the error problem...
i figured hey why not give it a try and it worked...:D :D :D
and it worked...:D
Ok.
So is the error gone and the sound ok?
Dee369
11-26-2006, 04:22 PM
Ok.
So is the error gone and the sound ok?
everything is running great...thank you so much for bringing up the idea...;)
played pogo... played slots....jumped all around trying to duplicate and nothing wrong...absolutely nothing....:D
you got yourself one great head on your shoulders !!!
thank you so very much...will keep you updated ...:D :)
LOL...
A repair install solves a lot of problems.
You're almost ready for a clean install of 98SE:D.
Dee369
11-26-2006, 04:57 PM
:D LOL...
A repair install solves a lot of problems.
You're almost ready for a clean install of 98SE:D.
:peep: the time will come i'm sure ;)
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