Vista Advantages and Disadvantages

[writeco]

A found this link on another BBS. It contains a very concise, understandable, and well illustrated description of Vista. As such, it may help you decide if it is worth the switch.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9004916

[Tortanick]

Reading now, and thats not a BBS ;)

BTW, read about Universial access control and squirm! UNIX/Linux took the same principle and did it perfetly, why change it?

[mylanta]

As much as I usually jump right in day 1, with Vista I am giving them time and will probably follow the "wait until SP1 rule" as I have seen too many changes for the worse from beta 2 until RC 1 versions.
I saw wireless adapters become a "forced driver" issue which was really difficult. Creative soundcard same way where all you neede to do in beta2 was find a new Vista driver, but that is now rejected as are most onboard audio drivers. Audio seems to be a major issue with Vista as I see many will not install at all and supplementary such as joysticks, forgetaboutit.
As I have said before Windows Mail leaves me cold and I tried really hard to bring in OE and that's not possible either.

[Dan18960]

As much as I usually jump right in day 1, with Vista I am giving them time and will probably follow the "wait until SP1 rule" as I have seen too many changes for the worse from beta 2 until RC 1 versions.


Darn I tripped over my own feet the earth came to a stop so suddenly :boxing:

You know there is a paradox in the universe when Rich and I mind melt on something. :D

[mylanta]

How true.....

[Dan18960]

Well, I now have the "REAL" version of Vista that will be released in January with applicable product keys for Ultimate, Business, Home Premium, and Home Basic.

I got the early "invitation" from my TechNet Plus subscription to download it before getting the January DVD release. WOW - 1 hour and 48 minutes to download the 2.6 gb ISO file ( I am REALLY loving this FIOS!). It took me over 5 hours on my previous Comtragic connection.

Just got in 4 SATA 80gb drives to load each version because I KNOW that someone is going to want to test the waters. I feel that once some people get completely irratated by the UAC (User Access Control) popping up every time they want to load a toolbar, install a program, delete old photos / documents / programs, and have to install Active X just to see MICROSOFT's Windows updates - they will be making a beeline back to XP (ANY version).

Then there is the IE 7 AGAIN married to the operating system - have had to uninstall that on a lot of machines in the last 3 weeks - that no one seems to like.

The loss of Outlook Express is going to be a downer.

The difficulty with drivers - seems you have to depend on Microsoft for a lot of these for right now. They have a whole set of drivers in the TechNet Plus subscription for just about every piece of hardware for the last 3 years! I don't know how they will work right now as I have just started downloading them to burn to a DVD - to many for just a CD anymore.

So begins my weekend RIGHT BEFORE X-MAS! UGH! ! ! ! !:rolleyes:

[Tortanick]

I probobly should invest in apple right about now.

[jcampi]

I love all of the na sayers. All this while Microsoft has more than 90% of the market. Gee, and what company lead the way to putting a pc in evey home? I remember the days of DOS. I just love all of the cry babies that slam MS and tout Linux. If Linux is so great and its open source how come everyone doesn't just flock to it and stop paying for Windows??? I love the jump in and explore new software, but will also wait a while until I learn about the issues, etc. I'll have a free upgrade version of Vista we will get with my son's laptop. However, I'll hold off on installing it until I'm comfortable with doing it.

[mylanta]

Yeah me too. I'm on my 9th version of Linux and still cannot get on the internet. Now that I finally have an ethernet cable back here in my shop, I cannot find any Linux Program to recognize my Realtek ethernet...gee and this is the biggest maker of ethernet cards too. PC Linux OS...more BS and Puppy Linux, got on with Intel Gigabit connection, changed mobo and forgetaboutit. This crap just isn't ready for prime time.

[Tortanick]

mylanta, did you ask about that on one of the linux forums?

Jamcpi:

Windows is popular because its installed by default
Its installed by default because its popular - catch 22
Nearly all hardware problems are because linux isn't supported by hardware vendors, its not linuxes fault their doing the best they can to reverse enginear but thats hard work
who lead the way? Apple, then Microsoft took over, just like Linux will take over from Microsoft

[jcampi]

Who the heck is Jamcpi?
Mylanta, you are a pretty advanced builder/user. If you can't get Linux right - how do you think the average "Joe" would do with this command line language? Hmmmm. Maybe that's why it isn't going to go mainstream even though it's free. This is a good example that just because it's free or open source doesn't mean it's better. Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

[mylanta]

mylanta, did you ask about that on one of the linux forums?

Jamcpi:

Windows is popular because its installed by default
Its installed by default because its popular - catch 22
Nearly all hardware problems are because linux isn't supported by hardware vendors, its not linuxes fault their doing the best they can to reverse enginear but thats hard work
who lead the way? Apple, then Microsoft took over, just like Linux will take over from Microsoft


Why? Out of 9 versions of Linux, not one of them recognizes a realtek 6189 gigbit Lan card? What praytell is the incentive to go on when that is one of the most commmonly released nic cards? Linux is a broken misfitting OS that has a few old browsers, a bunch of half written word processors, and a token example of most programs needed, vastly inferior to what Windows has available and why should that not be? Look at the money behind Windows, of cousre it has the greater and better resources! But I want better guys. I have never in my life settled for mediocrity and Linux can nmever take over Windows mantle without a huge influx of cash.

[Tortanick]

OS that has a few old browsers,
Don't you use firefox? Its fully compatible on Linux, so's Opera. not to mention quite a few others.

a bunch of half written word processors,
myself I think the non-WYSIWYG Latex is the best word processor ever, Open Office is not far behind word

and a token example of most programs needed,
Examples please

vastly inferior to what Windows has available and why should that not be? Look at the money behind Windows

Then shouldn't McDonalds have better food than any other resterunt?

[photolady]

I will not be installing Vista as my main OS but will dual boot as I do now with RC1. First, are a drivers issue, second is my software Photoshop, PageMaker will not work on Vista. My version of Photoshop isn't the lastest. PageMaker, well, it's from 1999.
Drivers are a issue, my Logitech Trackman Marble, no driver for Vista and I refuse to use any other Trackball. I hate those ones with the ball on top. :(

Linux, no way, no how will I ever use that one. Too many problems, not enough Windows. I watched a friend install Linux, the things he had to go through to get it installed, I just shook my head and said, why? When I can pop a disk in and the OS installs, no glitches, no coding, just simple English. Oh and my programs don't work on Linux either. You can't tell me that there is something similar to Photoshop for Linux.....because there is nothing, no software, similar to Photoshop that works like Photoshop. :D

[Tortanick]

gimp amd krita ;), both £0. I havn't used either (or photoshop) so I can't say how they compair.

Who the heck is Jamcpi?
Mylanta, you are a pretty advanced builder/user. If you can't get Linux right - how do you think the average "Joe" would do with this command line language?

I on the other hand got it right in half an hour with no command line. And Mylanta is well above my skill level.

BTW just how common is it for average Jo to install windows by himself starting with a blank Hard drive? installing a new OS is really a OEM or tech support's job

[mylanta]

Look I am certain I can get it to work. If I put back the Intel gigabit card that was in before, I am certain they will all find the internet, but all of that is absurd to think I cannot use the ethernet on my current mobo, which is way more common than Intel Pro Gigabit card, which I only used because the HP that was on this slot only had a 10/100 ethernet card and my network is Gigabit now.
Linux is haphazardly funded, and that's why it is so difficult to deal with. I actually think it is a solution for business, who do not need to have multi tasking OS to run the 3-5 programs businesses need to run and pay scads of $ for licenses for each pc to do so. But for a home user with 150 programs, Linux makes no sense at all. It's a "toy" OS compared to Windows.

[jcampi]

But for a home user with 150 programs, Linux makes no sense at all. It's a "toy" OS compared to Windows.

I just love it. People love mixing apples and oranges when it suits there argument. Even if you were an average user and started with a blank hard drive - which OS do you think is easier to install and set up? Duh, BTW - is Linux plug and play? How is Linux in locating and installing drivers for ya? Face it, Linux is for certain businesses that have very limited needs. Sure it's stable in this case. The bank is only running one type of software. For the average user Linux is just a fringe OS. If I were ever tempted to abandon Windows (and I don't plan on it at all) I'd go to Apple before even thinking about Linux. Are there any fans of OS2 Warp out there?

[Dan18960]

John,

I hate to break your bubble but APPLE running Open Source at it's OS core. It has always ran on a version of Unix (originally BSD - not the Xerox version).

That is why they were able to migrate to the intel chipsets.

From apple.com

The power and simplicity of Mac OS X Server begin with a UNIX-based foundation built around the Mach microkernel (http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/) and the latest advances from the open source BSD community. The result is a stable, high-performance 64-bit computing platform that’s ideal for deploying server-based applications and services.

Start a Revolution on Your Desktop

Mac OS X Tiger will change the way you use a computer. Breakthrough search technology, stunning graphics and media (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/graphicsandmedia.html), unparalleled connectivity (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/internetandorganization.html), an intuitive user interface (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/aquauserinterface.html) and a virtual toolbox chock full of cleverly integrated features — all atop a rock-solid UNIX foundation (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/advancedtechnology.html) — give you the most innovative, stable and compatible (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/compatibility.html) desktop operating system on the planet. Period

[Tortanick]

Actually Dan thats not true, apple classic was never UNIX, then they migrated to the BSD UNIX family, not Linux. Licencing issues are the most likely reason.

The BSD licence just says do whatever the heck you want, even take all the code and use it in you propriotary product under a propriotary licence. Can't do that with Linux.

Jcampi, Linux IS plug and play, it supports more hardware in Plug and Play than any other OS ever! Of course that counts non intel/AMD processors, supercomputers etc while not including Mylanta's network card.

Mylanta you still havn't given any examples of home user software that isn't on linux. And I wouldn't call the OS that runs most supercomputers and webservers a toy

[fleamailman]

Hate to admit it, but vista is the tamagotch for adults.

[mylanta]

Well I decided to put my Gigabit Intel Nic card back in this machine and it's funny, it is faster than the built in mobo Realtek, considerably. And that meant I can go back to running Puppy Linux again so that's what I am on now. Linux is "snappy" no question, but it just doesn't have the spread and availability of Windows. But because it is so "lean" it is much quicker than Windows so that is fun!!!

[photolady]

You all will never convince me to even try Linux, whatever version. I'm stubborn, I admit it, took me 7 years to give up my Mac and go PC. LOL

As for these programs "gimp and krita" there is no way they even come close to Photoshop. I've been using that program since it was owned by Aldus. ;)

[mylanta]

True Gimp has some nice features but there is no comparison to Photoshop.

[jcampi]

Dan, Apple may use open source code for the core of the OS - but the software isn't free. I consider true open source software as free to the public as the name implies.

[Dan18960]

John,

Then there is always Red Hat (they charge), Novell (WE know they charge), BSD (they charge), and SCO (they charge).

The opportunities of the Linux development is being strangled by "our" mindset that Microsoft is the only company that makes software.

IF, and there is a migration to that effect, people would start seeing outside the box and have more open minds to the computer world there would be the competition that Microsoft truly is afraid of.

Look at how long it has taken the older generation to accept computers even with their daily use at offices.

I know Rich kids me about my denial of change - but I do evaluate different operating systems, office suites (heck I use Lotus Smarte Suite for a lot of my daily entries), and utilities. I don't have the interest in the latest games since my education, job, and interests are more business directed. I just got SUSE Linux from Novell and will be loading that - I also have their desktop Linux and will be loading that - I have the "real" version of Vista "flavors" and will be loading them. I just wish I had more time to "play" with these things.

[Dan18960]

Hate to admit it, but vista is the tamagotch for adults.

OK what is a tamagotch:confused: :confused: :confused:

[mylanta]

I think he means tamagotchi Dan.....really a toy!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi

[Tortanick]

John,

Then there is always Red Hat (they charge), Novell (WE know they charge), BSD (they charge), and SCO (they charge).


BSD dosn't charge. But the BSD licence allows you to make propriotary software based on the BSD code.